New trailer - need advice
#31
Just remember to stay under 26,000. You will be a target for DOT. They know it's hard to stay under with 3 cars, and they won't see DOT or ICC numbers on your truck. They will stop you 1st. If your over it's 1-2$ per lb. and fined for no CDL no DOT no ICC etc.... your into the 1,000's in fines.
That's why I just bought a 35ft. 2 car trailer. It's rated at 14,000 and I can haul 2 fullsize and never get looked at twice.
pretty simple, now your ready to go!
That's why I just bought a 35ft. 2 car trailer. It's rated at 14,000 and I can haul 2 fullsize and never get looked at twice.
pretty simple, now your ready to go!
#33
3 cars on 26K is possible but I dont think many(any?)people do it.
My truck weighs about 7500 loaded up. BigTex 3 car hauler weighs 6500. My GVW is 9000, Have BigTex tag the trailer at 17000, total = 26000.
26000 - 6500 - 7500 = 12000. 3 4000# cars.
My truck weighs about 7500 loaded up. BigTex 3 car hauler weighs 6500. My GVW is 9000, Have BigTex tag the trailer at 17000, total = 26000.
26000 - 6500 - 7500 = 12000. 3 4000# cars.
#35
Originally posted by gdh11
I have to agree that staying under 26K is the way to go. Here is another problem, one officer I just spoke to said that even if the cars are all mine it doesn't matter since I intend to sell them to make money I am still conducting comerce and would require a CDL even if I was under 26K!!! This is starting to make my head hurt. Based on that statement anyone with a pick up truck and a dolly that goes to an auction to buy a car to fix up and make a few extra bucks will have to have a CDL!? Right?
I have to agree that staying under 26K is the way to go. Here is another problem, one officer I just spoke to said that even if the cars are all mine it doesn't matter since I intend to sell them to make money I am still conducting comerce and would require a CDL even if I was under 26K!!! This is starting to make my head hurt. Based on that statement anyone with a pick up truck and a dolly that goes to an auction to buy a car to fix up and make a few extra bucks will have to have a CDL!? Right?
These people don't know what they're talking about. That is PART of the problem. Every officer has a different interpretation of the law.
If you are 100% private, individual, E.G. "CAR COLLECTOR" who shows cars for FUN, NO PRIZE MONEY and you're under 26,000, you should not need CDL (but you do need that endorsement in your state), USDOT# OR ICC MC#.
I just spoke to said that even if the cars are all mine it doesn't matter since I intend to sell them to make money I am still conducting comerce and would require a CDL even if I was under 26K!!!
If you are COMMERCIAL but NOT FOR HIRE (I.E. hauling your own stuff), you need everything EXCEPT ICC MC#, Cargo INSURANCE. You still need 750K liability, DOT inspection, DOT medical card, etc.
registering the truck in EVERY state I tranport in
#36
Originally posted by njoverkill
Rick, what brand 2 car do you have?
I'm looking to get 2 car wedge. I wasn't very happy with KAufman's quality of my previous trailer, but Take 3 trailers are $$$$.
Rick, what brand 2 car do you have?
I'm looking to get 2 car wedge. I wasn't very happy with KAufman's quality of my previous trailer, but Take 3 trailers are $$$$.
I like the flat bed trailer a lot better. Less wind drag and not as steep. I can haul other things easier.
#38
Originally posted by njoverkill
Is it a car hauler or a wooddeck flatbed?
Is it a car hauler or a wooddeck flatbed?
#42
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Again, thanks for all of the information. I do get a different answer depending on who I am talking to no matter what. I know lots of guys that haul cars and sell them and do not have a CDL. So if I get the Classification A endorsement and put "Not For Hire" on the side of my trailer and stay under 26K I should be okay. I am sure that I will run into someone that will decipher the law differently sometime but I am not going to flush a great deal on a trailer & a better business opportunity and run scared just because there is a possibility that something might go wrong sometime. That's business and that possibility always exists. But it still makes my head hurt.
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Barry,
Here is exactly what the NC state reg says. Nowhere in there does it say anything about needing a CDL if you are transporting for a business. In fact it only says you require a CDL for business or pleasure if it is over 26,001lbs. If the different states have different rules and I am licensed in NC I do not see how they can have a problem with me if I am complying with rules set forth in my licensed state. This is from the NC DOT website.
A CDL is required for drivers, paid or volunteer, who drive the following types of vehicles that are designed or used to transport passengers or property.
Class A: Required to operate a vehicle that has a combined gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of at least 26,001 lbs and includes as part of the combination a towed unit that has a GVWR of at least 10,001 lbs.
Class B: Required to operate: · A single motor vehicle that has a GVWR of at least 26,001 lbs. · A combination of motor vehicles that includes as part of the combination a towing unit that has a GVWR of at least 26,001 lbs and a towed unit that has a GVWR of less than 10,001 lbs.
Class C: A single or combination of motor vehicles not included in Class A or B but meets any of the following descriptions: · is designed to transport 16 or more passengers, including the driver. · is transporting hazardous materials and is required to be placarded.
Classified licences:
If you are 18 years of age or older you may apply for an original North Carolina driver license. Under North Carolina's classified license system most drivers need only a Class C license to operate personal automobiles and small trucks.
Class A: Required to operate any combination of vehicles exempt from commercial driver license (CDL) requirements with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of 26,001 pounds or more, provided the GVWR of the vehicle(s) being towed is greater than 10,000 pounds. Also required for operating any combination of vehicles with a GVWR of less than 26,001 pounds, if the vehicle being towed has a GVWR of more than 10,000 pounds.
Class B: Required to operate any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 pounds or more that is exempt from CDL requirements, and any such vehicle while towing another vehicle with a GVWR of 10,001 pounds or less.
Class C: Required to operate any vehicle with a GVWR of less than 26,001 pounds that is exempt from CDL requirements and is not towing a vehicle with a GVWR of more than 10,000 pounds. Most drivers need only a Classified C license to operate personal automobiles and small trucks.
From what I take from reading this I need to keep my truck, trailer and cargo under 26K and get a Classified A license. Other than that I should be good to go.
Here is exactly what the NC state reg says. Nowhere in there does it say anything about needing a CDL if you are transporting for a business. In fact it only says you require a CDL for business or pleasure if it is over 26,001lbs. If the different states have different rules and I am licensed in NC I do not see how they can have a problem with me if I am complying with rules set forth in my licensed state. This is from the NC DOT website.
A CDL is required for drivers, paid or volunteer, who drive the following types of vehicles that are designed or used to transport passengers or property.
Class A: Required to operate a vehicle that has a combined gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of at least 26,001 lbs and includes as part of the combination a towed unit that has a GVWR of at least 10,001 lbs.
Class B: Required to operate: · A single motor vehicle that has a GVWR of at least 26,001 lbs. · A combination of motor vehicles that includes as part of the combination a towing unit that has a GVWR of at least 26,001 lbs and a towed unit that has a GVWR of less than 10,001 lbs.
Class C: A single or combination of motor vehicles not included in Class A or B but meets any of the following descriptions: · is designed to transport 16 or more passengers, including the driver. · is transporting hazardous materials and is required to be placarded.
Classified licences:
If you are 18 years of age or older you may apply for an original North Carolina driver license. Under North Carolina's classified license system most drivers need only a Class C license to operate personal automobiles and small trucks.
Class A: Required to operate any combination of vehicles exempt from commercial driver license (CDL) requirements with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of 26,001 pounds or more, provided the GVWR of the vehicle(s) being towed is greater than 10,000 pounds. Also required for operating any combination of vehicles with a GVWR of less than 26,001 pounds, if the vehicle being towed has a GVWR of more than 10,000 pounds.
Class B: Required to operate any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 pounds or more that is exempt from CDL requirements, and any such vehicle while towing another vehicle with a GVWR of 10,001 pounds or less.
Class C: Required to operate any vehicle with a GVWR of less than 26,001 pounds that is exempt from CDL requirements and is not towing a vehicle with a GVWR of more than 10,000 pounds. Most drivers need only a Classified C license to operate personal automobiles and small trucks.
From what I take from reading this I need to keep my truck, trailer and cargo under 26K and get a Classified A license. Other than that I should be good to go.
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I think the trailer would be about 4K or better and two cars would be roughly 7K. If your truck can handle 11K on the ball and not be over you should be good. I don't know what a 3/4 ton is rated for on the ball but it should do it, I would think.