acarter92

Hi guys,

New to the forum, I just bought an 1987 F600 a few weeks ago...

Here's my problem:

The sticker on the door of the truck says GVW 21,200 lbs, but the registration paper (and I assume the title will too when I get it) says 26,000 lbs. Now if I'm correct they made F600's that were 26,000, but I'm assuming that I just have smaller axles. I'm not sure how the registration was upped to 26,000, but somehow it was done because the vin matches. ( I didn't think you could go higher than the door sticker)

So if I were to get weighed, do they go by the registration papers or the door sticker? My common sense say the door sticker but then I can't figure out why someone would go through the trouble of paying more fees per year if there's no benifit. I don't plan to exceed it by much, but I'm sure I'll be at 21,200 every now and then.

If they do go by the registration papers then great... I'll never be overweight, however if not then I'm lowering the registration to 21,200 and saving on fees and 2 inspections per year.

I'm in Pennsylvania and don't plan on leaving the state with the truck.

FYI, I'm not talking about or concerned with GCVW (trailers), just weight that will be in the back of the truck (dump body).

Thanks in advance,
Austin

NE frmhnd

The door tag clearly states 21,200, that's the GVWR. It may have been registered a little heavier for pulling a trailer.

acarter92

That's what I thought at first... but on the registration it says:

REG. GROSS WT: 26000
COMB. GROSS WT: 26000

Just got the title today and that also says GCWR 26000.

So what happens when you get weighed? Do they look at the door or the REG. papers?

The truck actually has a heavier rear axle than it came with... found out the other day when I went to get brakes. From what I gathered the axle is (18.500 lbs). 3,500 lbs heavier than the stock one. I'm not sure what the front is.

Now I'm thinking if I swapped the front axle out with a heavier one (I think I would need an 8,000), is it possible to get the truck "re- certified" for the heavier weight? The tires are rated for a little over 26000. Maybe I would have to add some airbags, but I think those are my only limiting factors on the weight.... right?

Thanks,
Austin

rich

tires are going to be the limiting factor for weight. When stopped at scales they will not see your tittle, they will go by your factory door tag. They use your registration to make sure your paying for what weight your hauling.

NE frmhnd

Pennsylvania will allow you to license a straight truck over legal axle weights, but it sounds like it was registered heavy for pulling a trailer. If the trailer is over 10,000 pounds I believe you would need to be registered as a combination to be legal. As long as you aren't over the registered weight (26,000#) you are good.

You can go to 35,000, I think, on a single axle, 61,000 on a tandem, and something like 80-82,000 on a tri-axle truck.

Lighter-GVW trucks like that tend have heavier combined axle ratings than the GVW, as in a 10,000# steer, and a 20,000# drive, with a 25,000# GVWR. I think they do it to simplify things- you already ordered a railcar full of that heavier axle, so you slam it under what will be a lighter truck, and change the info on the doorpost.

The old S-series International (1700, 1900, etc) nearly all came with the same 2-speed Spicer rear axle, which may have been rated at 12,000-20,000 GAWR on the doorpost, but it was actually a 40,000 pound axle.

By the time you re-certify the truck for another GVWR you will have so much money and aggravation into it it would be easier and cheaper to just get a heavier truck to start with.

acarter92

Thanks,

That's what I needed to hear....

rich

Last time i had one of my tandem dump trucks stopped for overweight. i was instructed it was 36k for the tandems plus what the front tires are rated for and that was your legal weight rate. Higher tag will not get you out of a overweight ticket. we were tagged for 51k and were still given a overweight ticket even tho the truck was under 51k. Talk to your state DOT guys to get the correct answers since the internet is hard to use to fight a ticket with.

NE frmhnd

Here in Nebraska, they do it a little different, you can tag the truck for whatever you want to, and that covers the trailer, too, so you don't have to license combination.

Just don't do like my dad and go running around at 40,000 with a single axle. Somehow he has only been stopped to have his tank dipped, but luckily they didn't check his weights that day. Probably would have if they didn't stop him as he was about to pull into the job site.