What do you mean by trying to pull a hill at peak torque RPMS with a diesel and you will get nowhere fast? Sorry that is where they shine. When you get to your peak torque you will pull a mounain just as fast with 200 VRS 400 HP

Torque is a twisting motion HP is speed. So having Higher HP will get you to your Peak TQ faster.

 

The spread is already larger than that here now unl $3.35 and #2 is $4.19 This is completely insane less than a year ago the spread was about .20 or under !

 

Not pushing THAT point. I was just surprised at how well the gassers kept up with the diesels thru the towing tests. I think they even tested the v10 Ferd with some really good stats for estimated average fuel mileage for a year and it was pretty close to the oil burners. Point being of course that you probably wouldn't want a gasser for something like I do, averaging 150k miles a year, but for the occasional tow and some grunt they're not as inefficient as you might think. Especially now with diesel running close to $1.05/gal. more than regular gas.

 

Now that I think of it, I have noticed a big increase in the use of gasoline engines in many of the normal workhorses like; big rigs, locomotives, heavy equipment, generators, cranes, locomotives, jet turbine and turboprop aircraft, ships, oil rigs, street sweepers, garbage trucks, high-volume pumps, air compressors, .... It's all personal peference man.

 

If you are going to use the truck for every day driving, with the price of fuel today, get a gasser. If you are towing, it is still better with diesel. Let's compare:
I tow 16000 pounds. With my V10 I got 7mpg. With my Cummins I get 12.5.

If gas is $3.40/gallon at 7 mpg = .49 per mile for fuel
If diesel is $4.10/gallon at 12.5 mpg = .33 per mile for fuel

In 50000 miles, you will spend $16,500 for diesel.
In 50000 miles, you will spend $24,500 for gasoline.

You just paid for the diesel engine additional cost and put an extra $3000 in your pocket. You will then sell the diesel for much more when getting rid of the truck. So, if towing, diesel is the cheapest - - if driving the truck to work, gas is the cheapest.


Bob

 

I agree but also disagree. HP gets you there but TQ KEEPS you there so hitting a hill at peak TQ would keep you there infact I bet most people are FAR off from peak TQ when going into grades in the first place hence the reason for downshifting and such. I do agree that HP is just as important as TQ but really all more HP is going to do is get you there faster.

 

Oh and also for the Gas versus Diesel war I agree that it is completely on what your going to be using your truck for BUT the other day I actually didnt tow and put on 120 miles on my tank of fuel (Topped off) then went and topped off again and I was able to put in 6.33 gallons that works out to 18.95MPG I was pleasantly surprised cause I never really checked non-towing mileage since its far and few between that each tank gets anything more than like 10 miles without a trailer.

 

Tell this to the big rig guys making 450hp and 1600lbs of torque pulling 40K+ loads...semis aren't gassers for a reason man...gas is NOT economical when it comes to pulling heavy loads...lousy mileage with gassers pulling heavy loads is the reason diesels were made...to shine in the work category. There is no 8.1 that will outlast a Cummins stock for stock when pulling heavy is the criteria for the vehicle. Comparing 8.1s to Duramaxes is another story...count up the half million + mile Duramaxes, then compare them to the half million mile + Cummins trucks. That is just GM's way of making their motors sound better. I'm not going to lie to you, GM puts out the best gasser, but I would put my Cummins up against any gasser out there in a pickup stock for stock in longevity, mileage and pulling power and i'm sure that my dad in his '99 Cummins with 547,000+ miles on it would say the same...

 

But have you ever seen a gasser keep up with a diesel at 2, 3, 4 or even 500K miles? This is why diesels cost more...they sustain themselves MUCH longer with a workload over time...

 

I know I am kicking a "hornets nest", but..............



What about all of these trucks (not pointing fingers, just making an observation)that people have bought that had a diesel b/c it was cool?

these are the same trucks that have oversized tires, lift kits, along with many more accesories that are mostly for "show" and no real purpose in life other than to fulfill some child-like fatasy


How much fuel are they burning/ year ?


Now let the linching begin!

 

WHOA there you are way off base! There is no free lunch! We pay pay and pay dearly for our FREE health care in the form of high taxes. We are one of the highest taxed populations in the world! I would gladly pay for my own health care in exchange for your tax system, I would be thousands ahead and I could get treatment when I needed it not wait a years like we do up here.

 

I personally know quite a few Canadians who have paid cash/personal lines of credit for surgical procedures in the U.S. because the wait for their required surgeries in Canada was waay too long.

One Canadian friend was told there was at least a 6-month wait to get a canecerous ******** removed (gross, I know). His doctors gave him 6 months to live UNLESS he had it removed ASAP...so he high-tailed it to the states to get the surgery...and he put it on his credit card.

 

Attention all forum readers

I thought that this thread was about diesel prices, not medical procedures.

I've seen threads get off track... but what does cancer of the ********* have to do with the price of tea in China?

 

And what does the price of tea in China (who just had a major earth quake BTW) have to do with the price of diesel fuel

 

I'm not sure, but the oil companies will find a way of pegging an increase on it.