I wish you luck.

FYI, if you do have an issue you may be forced to leave your truck and trailer where it sits or it may be towed due to not meeting the requirements of the state you are in. Also, in my experience, playing dumb will get you in deeper and is not a tolerated excuse.

150 miles is the limit in my state also for farm plates.

Good luck.

 

Good Luck!!!!!

 

well i made it back back home at about 2 this morning. and we got to Ozona TX about 200mi from home and here came the DOT. They put on the blue and white so we stopped.Then the fun started. they gave me a ticket for a the farm plates, and only because it was not my trailer. and not being used for there farm if it were mine i would have been aloud to use the trailer for my farm use.. and i got a ticket for having a CDL and crossing state lines and being under 23 years old. I know about that restriction on my DCL. but i thought since it was not a commercial load. i would be fine but i guess not. they said my load was over 26,001 LBS and i was like no i don't think so
but they go with what each pice of equipment was rated to haul. i dont think thats rite to do so. well they said the 05 1ton dually on the trailer was going to weigh 10,001 lbs and the 07 1ton dually used to pull the load was the same 10,001 LBS so there for im at 20,002LBS and then they told me the trailer was rated for towing 20,000LBS and so that put me over the top of 26,001 LBS so DOT said my total load was at 40,004LBS so they say. But there is was no way. so there for i was not aloud to haul across states with it and it violated my CDL but i didnt think it mattered because it was a personal load.I know about my truck and trailer loaded with the truck was maybe 23,100 LBS with both trucks and trailer with each truck about 9,900lbs and trailer being 3,300 so that putt me at 23,100LBS so i thought i was legal to tow what i had. but not even a normal person can tow that as a personal load because of the tow rating for the trucks and trailer it puts u over 26,001LBS .. either way i don't understand that. but they let me go on down the road and go home it took about an hr to work all this out. i think its all just all made to get every one in trouble even if u follow the rules. but other than that the trip went well.

 

That sounds about right. They go by trailer and truck rating, not what you are actually hauling or what the truck/trailer is even licensed at. I know it kinda stinks, but those are the rules. This is why I have a 15K rated goose. I stay below the magic 26k limit that way.

So what was the total bill from them?

 

Did you tell them that a guy on DTR told you it was okay?

There are going to be 100 posts here later telling you that they can't do that, but the reality is, they CAN and DO! What one or two people DON'T get caught doing doesn't make it the accepted policy. I've mentioned here before that people with one ton trucks need a medical card regardless of whether the truck is commercial or not. People have posted their local law, and even out-dated federal law, disputing that fact, but it IS a part of the current federal rules that, more than likely, will start to be enforced as state law enforcement realizes they're not supposed to be circumventing federal reg's, and in fact can make revenue off this obscure and often under-enforced rule. Sort of like they just did to you by issuing you a citation for the weight your vehicle manufacturer SAYS it can haul, not what you actually have on board.

CORRECT! Give the man a cigar!

Yes, it does seem like that, doesn't it? Which is why I will be calling each state I will be traveling thru this fall, getting names of who I talked to and from which office I received the information. I know it won't help me ON the road, but it certainly should when I go to court to dispute a charge.

 

It all seems about right except for adding the gvw of the truck you were towing. They should add the gvw of the 07 and the trailer together and then weigh the rig. Today at work I was driving a peterbilt with a gvw of 80000 the truck and trailer weigh 40000 empty. Then I put a tri axle kenworth on the trailer that weighs 35000 but has an 80000 gvw. Does that mean I was over weight I don't think so. The dot likes to mess with small trucks because the driver is usually not up on the laws and because they usually get away with it. But that dosent make it right.

 

i have to wait for judge willson to call me back and see what is going to happen i am going to try to jump on it while the ink is wet on these tickets. idk how much this will be if i cant get it dropped im willing to bet it will be a good bit of $$ ..... (i was almost home) lol famous last words)

im lucky they let me go home they said they could have shut me down for 10 hrs if they wanted to i was like well thanks i guess even though i still got the tickets

Oh and they made me pull out the health card too good thing i had it..

and they said next time make sher i have a bill of sales for each pice of equipment. i thought my license plates and insurance was good but i guess not..

 

No you don't, If you are using it strictly for personal use. I have a 1 ton, and I do not need a medical card, DOT #'s, etc... Now If I was driving for a business, even if it was empty, then yes I do need a medical card in my state.

 

The only time actual weight matters is if the VIN plate on the trailer is missing . Then they go by actual weight . Otherwise they add the gvwr of the truck and gvwr of the trailer .
" Question 3: If a vehicle’s GVWR plate and/or VIN number are missing but its actual gross weight is 26,001 pounds or more, may an enforcement officer use the latter instead of GVWR to determine the applicability of the Part 383?

Guidance: Yes. The only apparent reason to remove the manufacturer’s GVWR plate or VIN number is to make it impossible for roadside enforcement officers to determine the applicability of part 383, which has a GVWR threshold of 26,001 pounds. In order to frustrate willful evasion of safety regulations, an officer may therefore presume that a vehicle which does not have a manufacturer’s GVWR plate and/or does not have a VIN number has a GVWR of 26,001 pounds or more if: (1) It has a size and configuration normally associated with vehicles that have a GVWR of 26,001 pounds or more; and (2) It has an actual gross weight of 26,001 pounds or more."
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul...01633480023237

 

I generally agree with the rest of that post, but you know very well that only drivers of COMMERCIAL vehicles over 10,000 pounds GVWR or GCWR require a DOT medical card. I challenge you to show anything that says different.

 

The question is are you now willing to help pay for the fines of his "perfectly legal" trip? I guess you skipped the part of Bigfoot's post that said a farm tagged vehicle is

"• A vehicle that is controlled and operated by a farmer; and used to transport agricultural products, farm machinery, or farm supplies to or from a farm; and not used in the operations of a common or contract motor carrier; and used within 150 air miles of the person’s farm."

 

I rest my case.

The last time when you told me you didn't need the card I told you to look it up yourself, and you came back with a web-page quote from an outdated Federal chapter and section. If that's what you want to hang your hat on, more power to you. The guy that told the OP that he'd be all set with his farm plates thought he was right too. And probably still does despite the fact that the OP got multiple citations indicating to the contrary.

 

I asked the DOT officer the 150mi is rule thing is true? and he said not as long as its for your farm and it Ur farm trailer... not a barrowed one like i had I'm my predicament

 

I dont see what difference the trailer being borrowed is. As long as it was tagged and legal why does it matter.

 

You need to work on your senility. The last time we butted heads you were claiming that the weights listed on a data tag were legal limits. Then, as now, you have nothing to back up your claims except false bravado. For your edification
http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regul...spx?#question3

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Are CMV drivers who operate in interstate commerce required to have a medical certificate?


Drivers are required to have a DOT Medical Certificate:

If they operate a motor vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR), gross combination weight rating (GCWR), gross vehicle weight (GCW), or gross combination weight (GCW) of 4,536 kilograms or more in interstate commerce.

If they operate a motor vehicle designed or used to transport more than 15 passengers (including the driver) in interstate commerce.

If they operate a motor vehicle designed or used to transport between 9 and 15 passengers, for direct compensation, beyond 75 air miles from the driver's normal work-reporting location, in interstate commerce

If they transport hazardous materials, in a quantity requiring placards, in interstate commerce.

CFR 49 Part 391.41

CFR 49 Part 390.5


When it comes to providing proof that non-commercial drivers of ANY vehicle under 26,001 GVWR or GCWR need a medical certificate you have NOTHING!