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Old 02-27-2011 | 07:51 PM
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Question Am I safe to pull and stop my 5th wheel?

Will I bought a 2006 Keystone Raptor 3612DS with the following specs:
Dry Weight: 11335 Carrying weight: 4165 total 15500. Hitch weight:2870
My truck weights in at 7390 with full tank of fuel. GCVWR is 20k. My total is 22890 which means I am over weight by 2890. I do have firestone airbags and bought a Pac brake. My question is even with the airbags and Pac brake am I safe to pull and stop this 5th wheel? Or do I need to be looking at a3500?

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Old 02-27-2011 | 08:19 PM
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you will be fine I tow a next level that tips in at 16950 and hardly know its back there
Old 02-27-2011 | 10:11 PM
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I would look at the rear axle weight with the 5'er hooked up.
Stop at a CAT scale for the true story. You might find that you are over your tire ratings. I went through 2 sets of tires by overloading them. Scary feeling going down a curvy, twisty mountain, wondering what would happen should a tire fail.

Enjoy your camper, Drive safely.
Old 02-28-2011 | 07:39 AM
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Make sure you have some VERY good rubber under the truck as stated, minimum E rated and run them at max psi when towing.

Will the truck tow the load? Yes. Will you legally be overloaded? Yes. If you get in to an accident being overloaded and the insurance people find out, you WILL be in allot of trouble. Even the DOT guys MIGHT hassle you, but probably not.
Old 03-01-2011 | 11:36 AM
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If it doesn't put you over your tire caps, or GAWR, it will be very close. Get real weight numbers at a CAT scale.
Old 03-01-2011 | 02:04 PM
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Here are your numbers. truck 7390lbs, hitch probably empty 2870lbs. NOW here's the kicker your trucks GVWR 9000lbs. Trucks usable load 1610lbs that means you are 1260lbs over the legal limit without even loading your trailer. I know they don't enforce the GVWR.... much! The diesel 2500 is what it is, rated to tow more than a 3500 but can't carry as much as a gas truck.
Old 03-01-2011 | 02:54 PM
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If you are over on the hitch transfer more weight to the back of the trailer it will bring weight off of the hitch.
Old 03-01-2011 | 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Jaxom
I would look at the rear axle weight with the 5'er hooked up.
Stop at a CAT scale for the true story. You might find that you are over your tire ratings. I went through 2 sets of tires by overloading them. Scary feeling going down a curvy, twisty mountain, wondering what would happen should a tire fail.

Enjoy your camper, Drive safely.
Originally Posted by klx650a2
Make sure you have some VERY good rubber under the truck as stated, minimum E rated and run them at max psi when towing.

Will the truck tow the load? Yes. Will you legally be overloaded? Yes. If you get in to an accident being overloaded and the insurance people find out, you WILL be in allot of trouble. Even the DOT guys MIGHT hassle you, but probably not.
I have always bought E rate tires and inflated them to their max to the door. I believe it is 60front with 70 rear. So I am good there. Insurance people could give me issues but we will see.

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If it doesn't put you over your tire caps, or GAWR, it will be very close. Get real weight numbers at a CAT scale.
I will be getting the trailer out in another week or so to get a vin verification done, I will at that time go down to the CAT scale to get an official weight.

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Here are your numbers. truck 7390lbs, hitch probably empty 2870lbs. NOW here's the kicker your trucks GVWR 9000lbs. Trucks usable load 1610lbs that means you are 1260lbs over the legal limit without even loading your trailer. I know they don't enforce the GVWR.... much! The diesel 2500 is what it is, rated to tow more than a 3500 but can't carry as much as a gas truck.
Originally Posted by Clayten
If you are over on the hitch transfer more weight to the back of the trailer it will bring weight off of the hitch.
So with using the Airbags and or adding a leaf spring to get me more weight compacity is a good or bad idea?

Thanks for all the replies.
Old 03-01-2011 | 04:40 PM
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I would get airbags for sure. and would not worry about stoping thats why the trailer has brakes. long down hills are something else. mabey an e/b is in your future.
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I just took a look at the floor plan for your trailer and its a toy hauler. You need to weigh the trailer loaded with toys as this takes a ton of weight of the hitch. Because of the GVWR of the trailer I suspect the hitch weight will still be up there. 15500lbs and a pin of 2867lbs is 18.5% which is in the middle of 17-20%.
A pin weight of 2890lbs with the trailer dry at 11335lbs is 25.5%.
Old 03-02-2011 | 08:29 AM
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I would get airbags for sure. and would not worry about stoping thats why the trailer has brakes. long down hills are something else. mabey an e/b is in your future.
Airbags are installed and a Pac brake is in the garage waiting for installation. I realize the Cummins will pull anything I throw at it. I think the way my truck is going to be sit up is going to be as good as it gets overall regarding to GVRW and stabilization.

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I just took a look at the floor plan for your trailer and its a toy hauler. You need to weigh the trailer loaded with toys as this takes a ton of weight of the hitch. Because of the GVWR of the trailer I suspect the hitch weight will still be up there. 15500lbs and a pin of 2867lbs is 18.5% which is in the middle of 17-20%.
A pin weight of 2890lbs with the trailer dry at 11335lbs is 25.5%.
You are very right, I need to get everything in the trailer and find the actual weight to see the real numbers and weight distribution.

Thanks for everyone's input.
Old 03-02-2011 | 12:10 PM
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GCVW doesn't matter much to most police, but the GAWR & Tire Caps do. Also make sure & register the truck for the weight you have on it pulling the trailer.
Old 03-02-2011 | 01:31 PM
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I have always bought E rate tires and inflated them to their max to the door. I believe it is 60front with 70 rear. So I am good there.
I'm not so sure about that. I have never seen an E tire that didn't have a max pressure of 80 psi.

Ignore tire pressures that may be listed on the truck's door. Go by the max pressure shown on the sidewall of the tire.

Another option is a set of Rickson 19.5" wheels. Then you can go with F or G load rated tires. That would give you a bit more safety margin, and probably much better tire life.
Old 03-02-2011 | 02:04 PM
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[QUOTE=Midnite;2933707]I'm not so sure about that. I have never seen an E tire that didn't have a max pressure of 80 psi.

Ignore tire pressures that may be listed on the truck's door. Go by the max pressure shown on the sidewall of the tire.QUOTE]

this is what i do. 80 psi. and no less. i have to argue with the tire shop every time i have my tires rotated. they want to go buy that dame sticker. i really need to take that off.
Old 03-02-2011 | 11:52 PM
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[QUOTE= I have never seen an E tire that didn't have a max pressure of 80 psi..[/QUOTE]

Goodyear G614 LR G 110 psi 235/85-16


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