dalee

does anybody know the payload of a 98 3500 4x4?

RickCJ

The gvw is 11,000 lbs.
What does your truck weight 7500?? so that would leave 3500 lbs. payload.

OutlawStorm

I am not positive on the 98, but the max payload for a 97 3500 dually 4x4 is 4,790 pounds,,That is from Dodge specs. Now if you want to know what legally you can haul, weigh the truck front and rear axle,, then read the tires and see what the rating is on them, prob in the 2,800 pounds each, now times that by 4 would make you around the 11,200 pounds you could weigh on the back axle and still be legal according to the scale boys. This is how the commercial people get weighed. I know for a fact my 96 2500 single wheel hauler I am allowed to be 6,200 on the back axle.

RickCJ

You can't haul 6200 lbs. on a 2500!!!
GVW is the weight of your truck fully loaded with you and all your junk in it.
Payload is what ever amount you have left up to GVW. A 2500 only has a gvw of 8800 lbs. and your truck weighs 6000-6500 of that.
If your rear axle weighs 6200 then your front can only weigh 2600!

OutlawStorm

Yes I can weigh 6,200 on the rear axle LEGALLY! I do it all the time. When you cross the scales they NEVER look at the GVW of the truck, if they get picky they will call you in and check the tire sizes. a 245/75/16 is allowed to haul 3,080 approx, so i could easily crosss the scales with my back axle weighing 6,200 and not be illegal. My 2500 is legally licensed for 20,000 pounds. I haul commercially and have been thru many scales. After putting on 500,000 miles hauling Rv campers, I have been thru pretty much every inspection they will do. Not one looks at the GVW, and even less know what the GCWR is as that changes on each year. If you want to haul more on the rear axle, look into getting some 19.5 in tires, as they will bring the weights up even higher.

bnold

[QUOTE=RickCJ;1155608]You can't haul 6200 lbs. on a 2500!!!
GVW is the weight of your truck fully loaded with you and all your junk in it.
Payload is what ever amount you have left up to GVW. A 2500 only has a gvw of 8800 lbs. QUOTE]

Man so with my Ranch Hands and crap I can carry me and a case of beer and be almost over weight Guess my 45' Goose and 4x4 backhoe was a little over.

RickCJ

just because they didn't check you, you should not tell everyone that it's legal!

But if they did their job you would be over gvw and that is not LEGAL!



Man so with my Ranch Hands and crap I can carry me and a case of beer and be almost over weight Guess my 45' Goose and 4x4 backhoe was a little over.

You did not have the weight of the 45' goose and bobcat as payload!!! You would add whatever your trailer toungue weight is to rear payload. Yes you where probably over weight

You guys hauling and towing should know all this stuff!. It's really scarry hearing all these lifetime truckers asking stupid ques. and not knowing what the laws are!?!

bnold

I understand That but the case of beer and the tounge weight would definitedly put me over. Wasn't far, not going cross cuntry with the thing. My only point was these trucks can handle more than the sticker says, and safely at that.

Oh and I never claimed it was legal

linetrash75

How is it that road tractors can pull loads way above 80,000lbs I've never looked at the sticker in the door, but surely Peterbuilt doesn't rate their tractors gcvwr @100,000or over.
Had an Oklahoma highway patrolman do a seminar at work, on some of the regulations we commonly deal with in the utility work. Afterwards I asked a couple of questions about pickups and trailers. I asked if I was to load a daul tandem gooseneck to 20,000 on the trailer axles can I weigh 10,000 on the rear truck axle or do I have to stay @ the7,500 that it says on the door, and stay under the 11,000lbs gvwr. He stated load to 10,000lbs and don't look back, I then asked if that would be ok out of state, no problem he said. As long as you don't exceed the tire rating or 20,000 an axle which ever is less you are legal.

OutlawStorm

Did I say I have NEVER been checked? I have many times, and many times I was between 5,800 and 6,200 on the back axle alone.. my front weighs prob close to 4,000, cant remember the exact weights, but i will find them and post them. so basically at 6,200 on the back and front at 4,000 that makes 10,200 and I have NEVER been ticketed for being that weight.

Now once again I am licensed commercially for 20,000 pounds, so at the above weights on my truck, I still can pull a 5th wheel trailer that weighs in at 9,800 pounds on the trailer axles and still be 100% LEGAL, No scale cop ever looks at the GVW on the trucks stickers.

RickCJ

Right back to my 1st 2 lines:
Originally Posted by RickCJ
just because they didn't check you, you should not tell everyone that it's legal!

But if they did their job you would be over gvw and that is not LEGAL!

OutlawStorm

Please reread my post,,I said I have been checked many times and many times I was between 5,800 and 6,200 pounds on the BACK axle, and YES I AM LEGAL, If I was not legal then of the 20 or so times I was checked I would have been fined! Like i have said over and over Scale Cops look at tire ratings and per inch width of tire you have Never do they say open your door so I can see what the GVW is on the truck. Also I haul in both the USA and Canada, and have been pulled into lots of scales and never have i been over weight . Also my truck empty weighs in at 7,600 pounds with my tools and extra fuel.,,, SO the way you say it I could only have a pin weight of 1,200 on my truck? Not a chance,, you really need to go and check with the Scale cops before you tell me I am ILLEGAL,, as I have a scale cop that lives across the alley from me. and he says I am totally Legal!!!!!

RickCJ

Do you want to go thru the scales with me? I'll let them know you are over gvw! Wonder if you'll be able to pull away?

Like I said if they checked you.
Just because they never checked your gvw doesn't make it legal!

OutlawStorm

Any day you would like to i would,, I aint affraid of the scale cops one bit,, READ I have been CHECKED MANY TIMES and NEVER once overweight,,, DO you really think the scale cops are stupid? When i cross the scales at between 5,800 and 6,200 on the back AXLE of the truck, Dont you think they would say I was overweight? I have been weighed in Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesotta, North Dakota, Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta and British Columbia, and NEVER was fined for being overweight

And YES i would drive right away, as they would not say I was overweight

Also most scale cops know the gvws of 3/4 tons and 1 tons,, its part of there jobs

RickCJ

read
FMCSA 571.120

gvwr and gawr are to be listed on the door tag and to be checked!

Feel lucky that you haven't been checked!
Just because a guy has been doing a job all his life doesn't neccessarily mean he knows it all.