18000lbs - What to do ?
05-02-2012 | 12:29 PM
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18000lbs - What to do ?
I have had a Raptor toy hauler that had been in the 17000lb range. It pulls no problem with my airbagged Goerend 2500. My truck has been pulling 10000-17000lbs since new with no problems. I now have purchased a Cyclone 3800 which will be in the 18000lb range with 400lbs more on the pin. My truck is not a dually. What would be the ideal truck for this load ? It seems even a 1 ton dually (06-09ish) still dont "legally" pull the weight. It seems like axle weights went way up in 10-11. Whats realistic ?
05-08-2012 | 11:49 PM
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Even with that 2003 you would be over on the GCVWR. GVW is close though. Still not 100% legal. Its all smoke and mirrors. GMC has same axle and it has higher weights ??
05-09-2012 | 12:18 AM
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What is your main concern?
Being over on an axel weight or being over on the GCVW?
For what it's worth, here in BC the Gross Combined Vehicle Weight Rating plays no part in what the guys are concernd with at the scale. All they want to see is that you are not over on any one single axel or tire weight rating.
That being said, just because you can doesn't necessarly mean you should... For stability sake you may just want to look into that dually...
Here was a post on a local BC web site. Mermaid.5 is a CVSE inspector (motor vehicle) He didn't get into it but I believe there are also certain exemptions for "house trailers" (RV's)
http://bb.bc4x4.com/showthread.php?1...=1#post1113349
Being over on an axel weight or being over on the GCVW?
For what it's worth, here in BC the Gross Combined Vehicle Weight Rating plays no part in what the guys are concernd with at the scale. All they want to see is that you are not over on any one single axel or tire weight rating.
That being said, just because you can doesn't necessarly mean you should... For stability sake you may just want to look into that dually...
Here was a post on a local BC web site. Mermaid.5 is a CVSE inspector (motor vehicle) He didn't get into it but I believe there are also certain exemptions for "house trailers" (RV's)
http://bb.bc4x4.com/showthread.php?1...=1#post1113349
As others have stated, there are no limits on trailer weight per se.
With a class 5 you are limited to towing a trailer with a maximum weight of 4600kgs ( 10,000 lbs). Above that you need a heavy trailer endorsement or a higher class of license.
The issue with trailers is how much tongue weight it puts on the tow vehicle. As long as the back axle isn't overweight, and the trailer isn't over it's manufactured GVW, you are good to go. GCWR is not legislated.
One pertinent peice of legislation is power to weight;
Weight to horsepower
7.21 A person must not, without an overload permit, drive or operate on a highway a combination of vehicles unless the gross vehicle weight to the manufacturer's rated horsepower of the towing vehicle bears a relationship of not more than 150 kg to one horsepower.
[en. B.C. Reg. 95/2006, s. 3.]
With a class 5 you are limited to towing a trailer with a maximum weight of 4600kgs ( 10,000 lbs). Above that you need a heavy trailer endorsement or a higher class of license.
The issue with trailers is how much tongue weight it puts on the tow vehicle. As long as the back axle isn't overweight, and the trailer isn't over it's manufactured GVW, you are good to go. GCWR is not legislated.
One pertinent peice of legislation is power to weight;
Weight to horsepower
7.21 A person must not, without an overload permit, drive or operate on a highway a combination of vehicles unless the gross vehicle weight to the manufacturer's rated horsepower of the towing vehicle bears a relationship of not more than 150 kg to one horsepower.
[en. B.C. Reg. 95/2006, s. 3.]
05-09-2012 | 08:58 AM
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With a class 5 you are limited to towing a trailer with a maximum weight of 4600kgs ( 10,000 lbs). Above that you need a heavy trailer endorsement or a higher class of license.
With that in mind they better pull 3/4's of the trailers off the Alberta highways..
With that in mind they better pull 3/4's of the trailers off the Alberta highways..
05-09-2012 | 09:42 PM
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I believe that only applies to BC. In Alberta, your class 5 restricts you to a maximum of 2 axles with no air brakes.
http://www.ama.ab.ca/automotive/towing-a-trailer
http://www.servicealberta.gov.ab.ca/drivers_licence.cfm
http://www.ama.ab.ca/automotive/towing-a-trailer
http://www.servicealberta.gov.ab.ca/drivers_licence.cfm
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05-10-2012 | 12:26 AM
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Best locate your local vehicle inspector or even drop in at a scale shack during working hours (although I have found our scale guy's don't seem to know much outside semi trucks and their axel weights.)
Keep working the phones to find out what the Alberta legislation is.
05-10-2012 | 01:06 AM
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Is it that its not legislated for private vehicles? I find this interesting because the Sparwood scale focuses on checking GCWR on pick ups hauling commercially and writing the fines for going over the limit as well as have you unhook the load.
SK has the same heavy trailer endorsement requirement as BC. In addition to that, if you do not register your truck for the combined weight of your truck and trailer and are involved in an accident...your fault or not...insurance can be void.
That is for privately registered SK vehicles. Not sure if they enforce it on out of province vehicles.
SK has the same heavy trailer endorsement requirement as BC. In addition to that, if you do not register your truck for the combined weight of your truck and trailer and are involved in an accident...your fault or not...insurance can be void.
That is for privately registered SK vehicles. Not sure if they enforce it on out of province vehicles.
05-10-2012 | 09:54 AM
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Is it that its not legislated for private vehicles? I find this interesting because the Sparwood scale focuses on checking GCWR on pick ups hauling commercially and writing the fines for going over the limit as well as have you unhook the load.
SK has the same heavy trailer endorsement requirement as BC. In addition to that, if you do not register your truck for the combined weight of your truck and trailer and are involved in an accident...your fault or not...insurance can be void.
That is for privately registered SK vehicles. Not sure if they enforce it on out of province vehicles.
SK has the same heavy trailer endorsement requirement as BC. In addition to that, if you do not register your truck for the combined weight of your truck and trailer and are involved in an accident...your fault or not...insurance can be void.
That is for privately registered SK vehicles. Not sure if they enforce it on out of province vehicles.
Don't confuse the GCVW on the door post of the truck with the GVW or net weight on your insurance papers. Two separate issues entirely...
05-10-2012 | 10:31 AM
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...In addition to that, if you do not register your truck for the combined weight of your truck and trailer and are involved in an accident...your fault or not...insurance can be void.
That is for privately registered SK vehicles. Not sure if they enforce it on out of province vehicles.
That is for privately registered SK vehicles. Not sure if they enforce it on out of province vehicles.
05-10-2012 | 05:44 PM
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Huh.. Since GCVWR is not legislated or enforced, I guess all the fanfare for the other brands having more towing capacity is moot. Doesn't matter a lick. Weird. The amount of these huge toy haulers on the road these days need to have a special permit system IMHO.