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Why Not Dual VP44's?

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Old 11-30-2007, 04:06 PM
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Heck Yeah I Would Mine Doing A Commin Rail Swap In My Truck. Has Anyone Done This On A Gen 2 Yet. I Know Its Been Done On A K Series!!
Old 11-30-2007, 04:16 PM
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Hey Dodge D. just go the twins route with an s400 below thats my next step,and then if you still don't have the fuel it's P-pump time...
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Who has a nice twin set up so I can use my existing HTT 62/71/13???
Old 11-30-2007, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by BigErksG2
SURVEY SAYS.... p7100 conversion
Yep I need another truc kso I can have a p-pumped 24V!! OOOOoooo the fun I could have!

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A 3rd Gen is looking really good these days!!!

Until you blow a freeze plug, drop and injector, deal with a lack of AC, etc...

All of these trucks have issues...
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Possible cp3 at half pressure feeding a vp44? I've heard rumors, just rumors
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That's no different than a lift pump, you're still limited by the amount of fuel the VP44 can actually flow.
Old 11-30-2007, 06:28 PM
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Lundee, now you're speaking my language...
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In theory, you could run dual vp44's to move more fuel but it would be really hard. It has been done on the 6.5L GM for some high horsepower tractors but that is the only time that I know of it ever being doing. Getting both pumps timed together is a bit of a trick. Also, you need to do something to the plumbing to allow you to hook up two IP's. This could either be done with custom injectors that had two inlets for injection lines or a T in the line.

The amount of work that would go into this swap would not be worth it in my opinion.
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Originally Posted by dodgediesel
Who has a nice twin set up so I can use my existing HTT 62/71/13???
Olee Poole is the Man!
Old 11-30-2007, 08:45 PM
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What twin set up does he carry??
Old 11-30-2007, 09:05 PM
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It would be a s400 using your bottom charger, he's a vendor here! Tell him i sent ya! Probably one of the cleanest best designed twins on the market, Alot of care and talent goes into his products!
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Rip Rook @ Source Automotive should be able to help you out too!

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why couldnt you run 2 pumps and have someone make some custom lines that are Y shaped feeding the injector. That way you still feed the injector matched with the same firing order and have double the volume of fuel there? just a thought
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Originally Posted by Bjans
why couldnt you run 2 pumps and have someone make some custom lines that are Y shaped feeding the injector. That way you still feed the injector matched with the same firing order and have double the volume of fuel there? just a thought
I've seen a pic of a 12 cylinder inline pump on a 6 cylinder engine for some pulling engine. I think it was on Scheid's site, but not positive.

Here we go.
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On the ISB engines the VP-44 is what is supplying enough hydraulic force to overcome the check in each of the injector nozzles one at a time in firing order. Therfore high pressure (4000psi) is present in each high pressure line of which there are six.

The CRs have a high pressure pump that feeds a rail that is common to all injectors, this pressure is high enough that the pressure is available to the injector and electrically the injector is fired at the appropriate time and injection and atomization occur. So the key with the common rails is that as fuel delivery is increase (software, injectors, etc.) the common rail pressure must be high enough or at least have the potential to be high enough to keep up with the volume of fuel being delivered. Two very different fuel systems.


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