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What turbo do you TOW with?

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Old 09-30-2008 | 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by kantdrive55
That being said you would be looking at a close to a 57/14 and a 62/14.
Super B - 57/84mm compressor with 0.50AR cover 65/74mm turbine with 0.80AR turbine housing

Super B Special - 64/92mm compressor with a 0.53AR cover 71/80mm turbine with 0.80AR turbine housing

Please don't tell me that I know more about the turbochargers your company sells than you do.
Old 09-30-2008 | 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Don Wagner
Super B - 57/84mm compressor with 0.50AR cover 65/74mm turbine with 0.80AR turbine housing

Super B Special - 64/92mm compressor with a 0.53AR cover 71/80mm turbine with 0.80AR turbine housing

Please don't tell me that I know more about the turbochargers your company sells than you do.
if im readin this right the AR is only 3/10 percent difference. thats not gonna matter to me. i bought the super b cuz it was a much better deal. even polished. customer support rocks...and theres now ay yer gonna tell me that theres adiff in these 2 units....based on your posted info anyways
Old 09-30-2008 | 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by dieselbeef
and theres now ay yer gonna tell me that theres adiff in these 2 units....based on your posted info anyways
57/65-14 vs 64/71-14, no difference? The difference between the 0.50AR and 0.53AR cover is more noticeable than you realize.
Old 09-30-2008 | 02:40 PM
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performance wise were talking correct? seat of the pants ahuling 20000lb camper??
maybe so. i havent tried anything else.
what would be the comparable diff between a stock one and the super b a/r wise . given the size diffs

im not bustin b*lls here..just pickin yer brain
Old 09-30-2008 | 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Don Wagner

Please don't tell me that I know more about the turbochargers your company sells than you do.
And please dont make this into a big arguing thread.
Old 09-30-2008 | 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Don Wagner
Please don't tell me that I know more about the turbochargers your company sells than you do.
I think he was just putting close to the measurements that all the mass producing company's are selling now. Seems like fewer people know and understand what the a/r really is and means. A a/r of .5 can mean so much more than just 12cm or 16cm. A/R, for those that don't know, is just a ratio. An a/r is not a set housing size. Think of it as 2/3 = 4/6 or 1/2 = 4/8. The ratio is the same, but the variables that make up that ratio can be different. For some reason, I can't get out exactly what I'm trying to say, but the equations or ratios above pretty much say it for me. When my brain feels like getting back on track to where I could half way explain something, I'll try to get back on here and explain it, unless someone else has their head screwed on straight today.
Old 09-30-2008 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Smokin98.5
Running a 64\71\12 hi tech, jammer 150s, quadzilla, 5-speed, 285\75\16 and 4.10 I can keep it at 1000-1250F pulling whatever at a pretty good speed.
There's probably a better setup but this is working for me. 550HP @ tires.
4.10's make all the difference in the world when towing.
Old 09-30-2008 | 04:49 PM
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A/R ratio has to do with the flow into/out of the housings and doesn't have anything to do with the nozzle size as far as I remember. For the same size nozzle (12-14 cm) you can have different A/R numbers for the housing as it describes the scroll geometry with relation to the wheel diameter. Correct me if I'm wrong..
Old 09-30-2008 | 05:27 PM
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AR ratio is defined as: The inlet(or for compressor housings the discharge) cross-sectional area divided by the radius from the turbo centerline to the centroid of that area.

Old 09-30-2008 | 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Lil Dog
A/R ratio has to do with the flow into/out of the housings and doesn't have anything to do with the nozzle size as far as I remember. For the same size nozzle (12-14 cm) you can have different A/R numbers for the housing as it describes the scroll geometry with relation to the wheel diameter. Correct me if I'm wrong..
Sorry I guess the way I worded it wasn't that clear. The sizes that are normally given are just the physical size of the different pieces. Everybody seems to think these numbers are the be all end all when it comes to the performance of the charger. True you can get a bit of an idea but the most important thing is flow. How much air does it move, then size becomes the factor after that. I guess what this all means is don't judge a turbo by its wheel size alone..
Old 09-30-2008 | 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Don Wagner
AR ratio is defined as: The inlet(or for compressor housings the discharge) cross-sectional area divided by the radius from the turbo centerline to the centroid of that area.


Thanks for the diagram. Shows exactly what it is. My wording was off. I knew what I wanted to say, just didnt say it the way it should have been said.
Old 10-01-2008 | 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by kantdrive55
With the Super B they use the extended tip compressor wheel. These chargers are measured with the a/r ratio. Also everyone seems to be so hung up on the wheel size. Flow characteristics are what you really need to know. I have seen maps that show a 57mm wheel out flowing a 62mm wheel. That being said you would be looking at a close to a 57/14 and a 62/14.
The turbo will cool when towing as long as you don't lug it down. At 450 in a 12v you can get it hot, depending on how you drive it. The 24v is a little more forgiving.
The Super B turbo will flow 850cfm and the Special is 1160cfm. The Super B Special is a turbo that likes to be worked hard. It isn't a great towing turbo. It will have some lag when towing, but it wasn't designed to be a towing turbo. Hope this clears a bit up.
The bd website saying the super b turbo is a good towing turbo why are you say differant.I am looking at that turbo for my 24v 100 injectors and juice w.add.will it not be good for towing?
Old 10-01-2008 | 07:12 AM
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super b and super b special are two diff animals.w diff purposes
Old 10-01-2008 | 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by dieselboy59
The bd website saying the super b turbo is a good towing turbo why are you say differant.I am looking at that turbo for my 24v 100 injectors and juice w.add.will it not be good for towing?
He was talking about the Super B Special not being a good towing turbo, not the Super B. He said the Super B was a good towing turbo.
Old 10-01-2008 | 11:41 AM
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Thanks guys. Yes there are two different turbos that I had referred to there. The Super B is a GREAT towing turbo. You still have excellent throttle response and lots of air to keep the egts down when towing. The Super B Special is a turbo that was designed for the hot rodder that had some pretty good power and didn't want to step into the twins.
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