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Old 09-28-2008 | 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by xtoyz17
I find that towing the same identical trailer with my truck and my ADR turned up to the higher levels, after the initial cloud my truck won't smoke anymore.

If I take my dads 3500/HO/6speed with an Edge EZ his will pour the smoke and belch after every shift. That's with shifting higher in the power band too.

Though, every truck is different so what I experience definitely isn't going to be what he or anyone else experiences.
Well, unless I'm reading your signature wrong, you also are running stock injectors and turbo which should never have a problem cleaning up no matter what programming you're running. I don't know how everybody else tows, but smooth shold not only give you no smoke but less wear and tear on everything in the drivetrain as well.
Old 09-28-2008 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 2whistlers
Well, unless I'm reading your signature wrong, you also are running stock injectors and turbo which should never have a problem cleaning up no matter what programming you're running. I don't know how everybody else tows, but smooth shold not only give you no smoke but less wear and tear on everything in the drivetrain as well.
That's not necessarily true. A stock charger doesn't flow nearly enough air to clear up an Adrenaline on full power. Does it clean up if I'm not on full power? Yes. Does my dad's truck clean up? Yes. The point of the comparison was to show that in my situation the 6 speed smokes more and does it on every shift, not just when you take off.
Old 09-28-2008 | 02:19 PM
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That's obvious that when shifting a manual that your boost drops, but the smoke can be controlled, especially with a stock charger and INJECTORS. Put some 150+ hp injectors in there with some programming and pull that trailer. More than likely you will have a constant haze. Add 35" tires and a bigger charger and there's just about no way around it with that tight converter in an automatic.
Old 09-28-2008 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 2whistlers
That's obvious that when shifting a manual that your boost drops, but the smoke can be controlled, especially with a stock charger and INJECTORS. Put some 150+ hp injectors in there with some programming and pull that trailer. More than likely you will have a constant haze. Add 35" tires and a bigger charger and there's just about no way around it with that tight converter in an automatic.
I know, I don't think I ever disagreed with that from the beginning so I'm not sure what you're trying to get at? My point was more that I *think* the auto shouldn't smoke like a manual with similar mods.
Old 09-28-2008 | 08:34 PM
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the comp is bad about smoke'n if you don't use the sub settings.....u can make a stock truck smoke a good bit with just the comp...and i'll agree with D-Tec up there.....the injectors are a bit big for the 62...a set of 100hp are plenty for the 62......just try play'n around with your COMP before you spend any money on other stuff...the 35's with 3.54 are fine...yeah you'll have some extra lag...but not that bad...
Old 09-29-2008 | 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by xtoyz17
I know, I don't think I ever disagreed with that from the beginning so I'm not sure what you're trying to get at? My point was more that I *think* the auto shouldn't smoke like a manual with similar mods.
Listen to Rodney(2whistlers), he knows what he is talking about. He has a darn good running truck that hardly smokes.

An automatic will smoke more. You said a tight converter is still looser than a manual. Well, yeah, when the clutch is engaged there is no slip, but the thing is, with a manual, you have some low gears to get you going. My truck will do about 35mph in 1st gear. A manual probably does around 10mph, maybe less. Of course if you shift a manual and then just gouge the pedal it is going to smoke with much of anything done to it. You have to re-apply throttle smoothly so that it doesent smoke as much. If you do that you can keep it to almost nothing. Plus since you run a stock automatic with a loose converter, you arent putting much power down till the converter locks, so that cuts down on the smoke. Get a tight converter and then try towing without any smoke.

Rodney isnt just arguing with you to be arguing, he know what he is talking about.

Eric
Old 09-29-2008 | 12:00 PM
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Thanks Eric. Well spoken from a guy who's had a little experience with aftermarket autos.
Old 09-29-2008 | 01:05 PM
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I find the 12 valve motors can spool better than us lowly 24 valves. There is a difference.
i tried several setups before I just realized that if I want minimum smoke/heat, I need two turbos!!!
It drives like a stocker, except my throttle now moves about a foot!!!
Old 09-29-2008 | 01:09 PM
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Cummins how in the world do you get to do 35 in 1st.. mine will only do about 20
Old 09-29-2008 | 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 97 D-Tec
Cummins how in the world do you get to do 35 in 1st.. mine will only do about 20
Mine will turn 4k rpm. But im pretty sure even at 3k it is going 30mph.

Do you have 4:10's?

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Old 09-29-2008 | 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 2whistlers
Thanks Eric. Well spoken from a guy who's had a little experience with aftermarket autos.
Thanks Rodney. I guess ill know how an HX40 is for towing soon. I know it aint much, but im excited to get it on and try it out. For the little amount of fuel i have, surely it wont be too bad.

Eric
Old 09-29-2008 | 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by cumminsdriver635
Mine will turn 4k rpm. But im pretty sure even at 3k it is going 30mph.

Do you have 4:10's?

Eric
oo.. heh i forgot you had a 4 gsk mine has 3.73 and my gsk still isnt in because ive had no time
Old 09-30-2008 | 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by 97 D-Tec
oo.. heh i forgot you had a 4 gsk mine has 3.73 and my gsk still isnt in because ive had no time
Unless you or someone who had the truck before you changed to an aftermarket gearset, you should have 3.54's if yo don't have 4.10's. The 3.73 gears were not an option in these trucks until they switched to the AAM axles in 2003.

Eric - Wes had real good luck out of a 40. I think he had piers redo it, but when he had his '02 gray truck, I think he pushed somewhere in the 460-480 range. Just make sure you wastegate it at 40!!! He ran his pretty hard, but after switching boxes and running it to like 41 or 42, he pulled over right then and lowered it. Apparently he had a pretty real fear of what could happen after 40.
Old 09-30-2008 | 05:55 PM
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i know what happend.. i was thinkin of my 03 1500 my bad
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