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Old 12-23-2005 | 02:57 PM
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timing on 94 12v

I read of people changing the timing to 16*. Is that advance or retarted? Will that affect egts? I have mechanical ability and was wondering if I should attempt to do this? I had a local shop adj the timing but they dont know about high powered diesels. Is there a thread or a web page that shows how to do this?

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Old 12-23-2005 | 04:18 PM
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John take a look at this:
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Old 12-23-2005 | 05:36 PM
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hey mr. Johnsjas, fill out ur sig! im curious to know what's been done to ur truck to make it 13 sec 1/4 since ur asking about timing

ps timing will decrease EGT's but u need a few special tools to get it done
Old 12-23-2005 | 05:42 PM
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hey mr. Johnsjas, fill out ur sig! im curious to know what's been done to ur truck to make it 13 sec 1/4 since ur asking about timing

ps timing will decrease EGT's but u need a few special tools to get it done
I replied to that for you in another thread (what if?). It is also located in my profile, but since you asked,

220 hp injectors
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315x75xR16 BFG ATs (looking into running slicks in 2 wheel drive)
Old 12-23-2005 | 05:45 PM
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higher timing lowers egt and raises cylinder pressure. with your little pump and in a racing aplication I would run 19* it should really help on the top end
Old 12-23-2005 | 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by MnTom
John take a look at this:
Timing FAQ
I was looking at the table and are the numbers within the table a hp gain?
Old 12-23-2005 | 05:50 PM
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nice setup bro!!! yeah u'll like a timing advance...you're burn the fuel more efficiently and enjoy those 4 k gsks a whole lot more in those higher rpms with an advance...ur fuel economy will also improve
Old 12-23-2005 | 05:52 PM
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What tools will I need and how long should it take to advance the timing? How far should I go? I just read to go 19 but what if I go too much?
Old 12-23-2005 | 05:57 PM
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15.5 or 16 seems to be the most popular medium around here....u need a gear puller, a barring tool fpr the motor...a dial indicator...a special adaptor for the dial indicator for our pumps...i forget if there's anything else....

Snap-on carried a set for like 200$...most shops charge like 1.5 hours for it...only diesel performance shops will do it...a regular shop will almost always refuse due to legalities
Old 12-23-2005 | 06:32 PM
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the smaller pumps run better with higher timing compared to the bigger pumps. 19* will be better for your pump however higher timing equals higher cylinder pressure so the risk of poping your head gasket increases
Old 12-23-2005 | 09:39 PM
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Question

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Sure Grip w/ 3.55
315x75xR16 BFG ATs (looking into running slicks in 2 wheel drive)
WHAT IS SURE GRIP? ARE THOSE TIRES? IF, DONT THEY SPIN?

WHERE IN THE WORLD CAN YOU GET SLICKS FOR THE 3/4 TON TRUCK, WHAT RIMS AND WHAT SIZE????
Old 12-23-2005 | 09:42 PM
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johnsjas.....follow the procedure in the book, but not the timing figures. Download the Piers timing chart. It stops early but each .1 mm equals another 1/2 degree. Just do the math. You need to know the CPL off the data plate on the timing cover. There were a few pumps used for a given year and plunger lifts are way different depending on CPL number.

Miller sells the timing kit, so does snap-on. For the degree of accuracy needed I would get the right DV adapter and dial indicator and not try to fab one up or use a mag base. It makes the job alot easier. I would also not trust the timing pin as described in the DC manual. A dial indicator found TDC is more often than not a whole lot more accurate. And if you're talking about going to 19*, accuracy is one thing you want.

BTW, I'm at 19* and love it. I dropped back to 17 at one point and really felt a top end difference...went back to 19. Mind you I am only at 3K. I am moments away from 4K, and I'm sure the difference will be even bigger. Our small pumps like the high timing and I have suffered none of the by-products of high timing other than the good mileage and power!!
Old 12-24-2005 | 01:15 AM
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WHAT IS SURE GRIP? ARE THOSE TIRES? IF, DONT THEY SPIN?

WHERE IN THE WORLD CAN YOU GET SLICKS FOR THE 3/4 TON TRUCK, WHAT RIMS AND WHAT SIZE????
The sure grip is a posi system for morpar. 3.55 is the gear ratio and the 315x75xR16 are BGF AT tires.

I have seen some guys run slicks on diesels and I have a connection looking into different compounds and weight classes to fit my truck. Once I know more I'll let yall know.
Old 12-24-2005 | 01:19 AM
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Sounds good I'll try to decide what setting I am going to set it at (dont want to blow head gasket). As for doing the timing my self, I know a guy that works for Cummins that will do it on the side if I let him take it for a spin.
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