Just don't go sliding off any mountains and breaking more than a mirror! The shipping on some of the bigger pieces will be crazy!

Take care of yourself!

 

I want all out passing type power. I could care less about fuel mileage, low end power for towing. I want to be able to go around cars and do it quickly and with a smarty I noticed nothing; definitely not what a 60hp gain felt like in my car. Im not used to spending the better part of $1k to "finally" have a 16 second 1/4mile ride that still wont get around a Chevy gasser truck. Im starting to wish I had a Dmax or PS because they all haul Edit with cheaper modules.

 

There must be something else up with your truck because I can pass any Chevy I want pulling a Ford. I have more mods but still the smarty should really be noticeable on the low end. Oh well 99.9 % of smarty owners are very satisfied. Nothing is 100%

 

Doubtful there is anything wrong with my truck. It is just as fast as a friend's 4x4 QCLB with stage 2 injectors with the comp turned OFF. I have driven and ridden in a CR truck with a smarty and I guess my hopes were just WAAAAAAAAAY too high for the 24v smarty as it did not feel 1/3 as strong as the CR. My point is that I am not willing to spend $650 on something that I barely notice so I am glad I went and tried one before I bought it. The good reviews on a smarty is most of the reason I bought a cummins. I guess Im just sick after riding in an 04 dmax with a little superchips which made it scream.

 

if youre afterhigh horsepower numbers, why did you try a programer with the lowest power gains. obviously a 120 or 180 horsepower gain is going to be more noticeable than 60-65 horsepower on a 7000lb vehicle. stack the smarty with a fueling box and or injectors and you have one screaming machine.

 

I don't think I have ever read about anyone saying that the 24V 2nd gens were faster than the CR trucks. In fact I'm pretty sure everyone knows that the 2nd gens in stock form or close to it are going to be slower than all of the big 3's current offerings. That's because the industry has made huge strides in the last few years making a diesel perform more like a gasser, in fact if you compare dynos from a 24V or 12V vs a CR motor you will see that while the 2nd gens will hit max torque very low in the rpm range the CR's don't hit it until much later, which makes the CR's great for speed but IMO not as good pullers or workin trucks.
I also have never seen anyone say that the Smarty makes more power than the comp box. What I have seen is those who own one love it, myself included. My Smarty on level 9 makes a huge difference, maybe you are expecting a bit much from a truck designed to be a working truck vs the current feminized, grocery getting offerings from the big 3 today.
The new trucks make alot more hp for less money, that's just how things go, if that's what you want then go buy one and quit whining.
I just noticed that you said you rode in a CR truck with a Smarty, you do realize that the Smarty for the CR trucks make 180hp vs the 60hp on a 24V? The reason is, they are way more computer controlled and can get the power easier. You can make a 2nd gen fast but you have to add a lot of things to them, boxes, injectors, turbos etc. whereas you can buy one box for a CR and make it just as fast. Just the nature of technology today. To me going a buying a brand new truck just for that is not worth it when my truck is paid off.

 

Im starting to wish I had a Dmax or PS because they all haul Edit with cheaper modules.[/QUOTE]

Maybe a DMAX but a PS thats just an oxymoron

 

Well at least I know somebody who can ship me a mirror - Actually the truck is much easyer to drive now (and quicker on the roads I travel) than with the pulse box

If I had the $$$ for the other bombs necessary I'd stack a TST module with the smarty. I think that the smarty timing is really spot on and much more intelligent than the stock timing advanced by xx degrees like the fueling and timing boxes do.

As for passing power- I can hang with the VW Tuareg on those roads- the V10 diesel that is. I couldn't pass it (no way to do it safely) but it's not bad for a 7000 pounds truck.

AlpineRAM

 

I must admit, I bought my truck for reliability and longevity so a 24v or 12v takes the win there. I just cannot get out of the state of mind where faster is better so I took the fact that 99% of smarty owners are happy, and created a fantasy that I too would really be impressed. No one has ever told me a smarty would be faster than a comp, but I have not seen near as many people brag on their comp as brag on their smarty. I also realize that a smarty is rated at half the hp gain but I did not think it felt even half as strong as a comp. Also in comparison, I realize a CR smarty is rated @ 170hp or so but the gains definitely feels over 3X as strong as the 24v smarty. BTW, I also had the smarty on level 9. In the end, Im not so headstrong I cannot listen to the positive qualities of the smarty.....I only expected more from the tons of great things I hear about the smarty and a justification of its price.

 

You could try the smarty with a set of Mach3s.... Well I'm partial to them, but my rear tires told me they hate this combo
The CR engine has much more that can be gained by electronics (and software) tickery than the 24V - it's in the injectors. With the 24V the injectors can't be forced to flow much more than stock within reasonable time.

AlpineRAM

 

If you want to keep up with CR trucks, you should have bought a CR truck. I wouldn't have bought a Smarty if your wanting lots of power. That's why I have a COMP Drag box, injectors, turbo, etc. The smarty is just for low end power improvements. You can get plenty of power out of your VP44 truck, but you need the right combo. A smarty on a stock truck is NOT going to make big power. There are always TST or comp boxes for sale in the classifieds. Pick one up! There are plenty of knowledgable guys on this site that can get you to whatever HP level you want. There are also plenty of threads about how to get 400, 500, 600+ hp. Try a search.

 

Right.....If you had done the research that you claim, you would have known about the differences between the Smarty and Comp, Smarty 2nd Gen vs Smarty 3rd Gen, that the Smarty is not marketed only as a "power programmer" and finally that the Smarty when stacked with a fueling box is "the" combo.

I'm kind of thinking your just on here to "stir the pot"........

You have a truck, not a gas powered car. You've doubled the weight and cut down the aerodynamics considerably, so to compare the two is ridiculous. If your so unhappy, why not sell your truck, dig out your Members Only jacket and by another Fireturd or Trans AM?

 

I am def. not on here to stir the pot, but rather to listen to what setup people have that works and they like. I know I have a heavier truck but I also now have an engine with 16.xx:1 compression and a factory turbo which is a great place to start esp. since my truck weighs only 6200lbs. I had done my research and knew the claimed hp gains from everything I have talked about. I just expected more as stated numerous times. Im not sure what the point of your post about the firebird was.....but it would have pulled bus lengths on your built truck before I hit the spray which would have been in the 11's in the 1/4 so lets not go there rather explain to me under what conditions and mods a smarty would be the best option.

 

yeah i have a smarty and it is almost useless...there are guys who like it although i only have it to read codes and for high idle...other wise it would have been on EBAY the day after i bought it...and yes i have mine stacked with a drag comp...i would only recomend it if you are looking for high idle or else if u wanted to read you codes..

 

The high idle stays in your ECM even when you take it back out, and your codes can be read through your odometer by three key tyrns so you mide as well sell it if you dont like it. I tried it with my comp and didn't like it but with a TST it's pretty strong