Im kinda weak tonight. No energy to argue or even think real straight. Of course a father would pick sides though

Oh I got him on the twin turbo thread. He called the small turbo the primary ;D

All in fun Man

Later John

Don~

 

[quote author=John_P link=board=7;threadid=7241;start=45#70194 date=1037838870]<br>Don:<br><br>It looks like &quot;banshee&quot; beat you &quot;fair and square!&quot; <br><br>Excellent debate between the two of you!! <br><br>--------<br>John_P<br>[/quote]<br><br>There were no winners, or losers. <br>Just alot of good info, and things to think about on this thread. ;D<br>Great job guys. 8)<br>We need more of the same.

 

Man some good stuff there for all of us to absorb! Thanks to everyone that contributed I learned alot and also learned I didn't know squat ;D <br> I am sure there will be more like this and as long as everybody stays cool &amp; collected, when that happens it just doesn't get any better than this!<br><br> I didn't keep score, but I think it was prety close toward the end!. Heck in the long run we all win anyway!.

 

Shovelhead:<br><br>You are right buddy!! I was just &quot;picking&quot; at &quot;Don M.&quot; <br>He has helped me on some things with my truck too and<br>is a knowledgable guy!<br><br>--------<br>John_P

 

This is incredible!<br><br>A positive tranny discussion. 8)

 

:'(

 

Anyone that wishes to add to this discussion is welcome, I just removed one because he felt the need to get personal and not stick to the thread issue. This will not be tolerated.

 

One problem I have and would like to throw in. I have a dozen 1'X1'X2&quot;concrete bricks that I landscaped my backyard with and tried the experiment that proved or dis-proved the multi brick analogy that was posted earlier here. When stacked 3 high and a 1/2&quot; rope tied to the middle brick and my 240 blubbery pounds on it, my neighbor tried to pull out the middle brick and couldn't. When I stacked it 5 bricks high, he could pull out the middle brick no matter how they were rotated to allow for differences of friction between any two bricks. It makes sense if you think about it. Now if three ropes were tied to each of the middle three bricks I could see the possibility of increased friction. Isn't the triple disked converter only slamming against one plate? Think about for a moment. Now my brain is hurting [undecided]

 

Yes Daniel, it does!!! <br><br>-------<br>John_P

 

Thanks! you got mine hurting too! [undecided]<br> I answered this 5 times and still could not say it right!.<br> Basically I think leverage or the amount of force required to move that center brick changes because of the overall height. The traction area while disbursed is a greater distance apart. Perhaps if you had really thin bricks it would not be the same.<br> I don't know if you follow what I am saying I barely can myself. I am no engineer or student of physics, but in my mind you would have to increase the number of ropes while keeping the amount of pull the same to see true results.<br> Ok so I am an idiot! ;D<br>

 

If 12,000 pounds of pressure are applied to 1 sq.ft. isn't that 1000 psi? If the same 12,000 pounds is applied to 2 sq.ft. isn't the 500psi? 12,000/24&quot;? I don't think you can get 12,000 pounds of applied pressure with 3 disks to equal 36,000 pounds of holding power. I'm reading a physics book as we speak (remember I'm a teacher). I'm reading a coefficient formula and surface area is not part of the equation. Surface area is only applied to dilute psi, and has no bearing on Coefficient of friction between two surfaces.

 

no such thing as an idiot! All questions are relevent, no matter how funny they sound in nature. If I was a bettin man, I'd see ya and raise ya 20.

 

[quote author=dramer link=board=7;threadid=7241;start=45#69638 date=1037756598]<br>I will answer the question about the patent application in the morning, I am short on time now and would like to talk to our patent attorney in the morning.<br><br>Clint Cannon<br>ATS Diesel<br><br>[/quote]<br><br><br><br><br>TTT