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Old 03-27-2005 | 03:10 AM
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Need your thoughts

I'm going to be doing so more mods to my pickup and I want to know what you guys think. Here's what I'm planning on.

SB dual disk
ht sled puller
Upgrade to PM3 COMP- was told would add about 150rwhp to my HO
Hot Rod VP44- was told would add about 60rwhp
Mach 4's- was told would add a good 150rwhp
Possible a MAD ECM. I'll have to see what egts are like.

If all these are correct it would put me close to 600rwhp. Keep in mind I will not be running at this leave all the time. Mostly for sled pulls and playing with people. Is there anything anyone would change and if so WHY. Do you think the turbo will keep me cool enough.

I already have guages, Air Dog, BHAF, 4" dual straight, and PM3.

Let me know what ya all think. If I'm missing something please let me know.
Old 03-27-2005 | 05:26 AM
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I'd suggest studs and possibly some head work.
Did you consider twins? Since the CR of the HO is higher than on the SO you must take good care of your head gasket.
Also an even better air intake than the BHAF like a scotty would be adviseable.

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Old 03-27-2005 | 10:28 AM
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I may have understood it wrong but in a prior post there was some discussion on the HR VPs not adding any extra HP when used with a timing box? I dont think the Mach 4s will get you those type of #s either? Most 600hp setups Ive seen are running Mach 6s and up. I agree with AlpineRAM on the twins/studs/ orings/and head work. You may also need to change the cam to run 600HP? I'm sure the 600hp guys will chime in and flame me on this one
Old 03-27-2005 | 12:48 PM
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600 RWHP with a single turbo is tough...... The items you have listed are all good but you might consider running larger injectors than 4's. The Mach 4's are great with an HO pump but if you are going to upgrade to a hotrod VP then I would suggest Mach 6's. I was able to put down 590 HP with a massaged B-1, Mach 6's and a Comp box.

As for the turbo I don't know of anyone who is using this turbo and making 600 HP..... There may be some out there but I haven't heard of them. I would check the exhaust housing out and be sure that it isn't too restrictive to limit the HP you are wanting.

Just my $.02 worth,

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Old 03-28-2005 | 04:49 AM
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I thought about the studs, but forgot to put it in the list. Didn't real think about oringing but it's a good point. And before anyone gets on there high horse I wasn't told by anyone it would make 600rwhp. That was just me adding the numbers. I'm not sure about the HR VP44 not adding power when using a timing box. I hadn't heard that but it's very possible. The reason I dont want to go large than a mach 4 is I'm worried about temps when towing. Twins for know is out of the question. I'd love them but the wife aint to happy about the money I'm already dish'n out.
My next question would be. What do you think HP would be with this setup.
Thanks for your input.
Old 03-28-2005 | 07:30 AM
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Well the good thing about twins that use the stock turbo as the top one is that they are rather inexpensive and give good bang for the buck compared to a single.
With your compression ratio and the suggested hogh boost numbers I would think that using a non timing box would be preferable to keep the head on the block. Maybe something like a redline box to get higher rpm fueling instead of the edge comp.
If you want to tow I think that it's adviseable to step down the hp a bit and try to shoot for good driveability especially with a manual tranny. (and to keep EGTs in check)
For running empty and drag racing a big single will cost you time because of the lag after each gear shift. I think it might be worthwhile to contemplate a twin setup with the stock turbo and an external wastegate.
I forgot to mention the o-rings too. I'd say that contacting DonM about the head studs and having a little chat can't be a mistake

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Old 03-28-2005 | 02:01 PM
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A TST PMAX (comp or regualr version) WILL NOT ADD 150HP to an HO PUMP!

90hp is about what a wire tap box can give an HO. The smaller (7mm) plungers are just simply out of fuel.

With the stock HO VP, Mach 4s and a PMAX are about as much fuel as you can get with benefits.

After that, you need pump mods imho.

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Old 03-29-2005 | 02:09 AM
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Alpine ram I have thought about twins but its just not in the budget. I'm also not interested in drag racing or racing at all. Playing with people yes.

Hohn I know the tst PM3 comp or non will only add 90 hp to an ho pump, but this will be a Hot Rod VP44. I know the Hot rod VP44 is an ho pump, but from my understading there are many interal mods done to the pump including plungers.
Old 03-29-2005 | 04:11 AM
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How much is the HT sled puller turbo?
Some setups for twins I saw on this site were around 1000 US$, so I think that this is somewhere in the ballpark of a good single. (I do not know anything about the quality of these setups though).
If you consider all these mods you intend to do now, especially changing the VP44 for a hotrod version of it I'd suggest reading https://www.dieseltruckresource.com/...threadid=38179

Maybe this could give you enough leeway financially to do the air side properly

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Old 03-29-2005 | 11:19 AM
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Originally posted by 95ram
Alpine ram I have thought about twins but its just not in the budget. I'm also not interested in drag racing or racing at all. Playing with people yes.

Hohn I know the tst PM3 comp or non will only add 90 hp to an ho pump, but this will be a Hot Rod VP44. I know the Hot rod VP44 is an ho pump, but from my understading there are many interal mods done to the pump including plungers.
A Hot rod pump is closer to the SO than an HO. Think of it as an SO with the HO cam ring (higher discharge pressure/rate).
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