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Old 05-29-2006, 01:03 PM
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Doing some up-grades to the truck. So far just exhaust and air intake. I want to do an upgrade with a programmer and don't have a clue which way to go. Looked at Hypertech and Superchips so far. Just want some feedback from anyone who's tried one. Open to all suggestions. Do all of the re-programmers vary in available HP?
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Welcome to DTR.

And first of all you will need gauges, FP (I assume you have a 24v) Pyro, Boost, and if you have an auto, a tranny temp gauge.

As far as programmers, the Smarty is the hot ticket. Pretty much everyone that gets a SuperChips, or Hypertech winds up upgrading pretty quickly. They are pretty limited, and the Smarty is supposed to be amazing.

And there are several plug in boxes avaliable that are also very popular. Edge has a few, Van Aaken, TST...
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Should have given a bit more info. It's a 98 12v, 4X4, NV4500 with a 5 speed manual tranny. The gears are 3.5 something. There in seems to be the problem. I see a lot of stuff for the 98.5 24v but not the 1998 12v. Even the Smarty just shows 98.5 model year.
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You have a 12v mechanically controlled engine. Rejoice. You can't use a chip.

Fix the KDP first, and get a GSK kit, and a fuel plate. The KDP is an allignmant pin that can fall out and do major damadge. If you do a search on it you can read for hours. Kit- http://www.tstproducts.com/index.asp...PROD&ProdID=64

The GSK will let your engine fuel to about 3200 RPM, do a search on the free washer GSK. Here it is- https://www.dieseltruckresource.com/...ht=free+washer

And the fuel plate modifies the fuel delivery curve.

With those few simple, cheap mods, you won't recognize your truck.

You do still need gauges though. Just not a fuel pressure gauge.
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What part of Ohio are you in??

I've learned a thing or two about these since I've owned one...maybe I could lend a hand or give you somae pointers??

Be glad you have a 12v...

Chris
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Ah Chris your just jealous you're undervalved.
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Originally Posted by Austin'sDodge
Ah Chris your just jealous you're undervalved.
Why would he be jealous that you have an inferior, albiet shinier truck?
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Alright you win. I'm probaly the jealous one.
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Man, you guys are killing me. I'm a ROOKIE! KDP's, GSK's, Fuel Plates.... where do I learn more!!! I'm ready. The truck has been yelling at me for a while now. 68k miles and wanting to crank it up.
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Originally Posted by TxDiesel007
THIS is just to get a little more power out of your ram. You can do serveral things, i see you are getting gauges, and you have an air intake on the way. which is good. Now this is an into to the main power source of the ram, Your P7100 Pump, and what you can tweak on it for more power. You can also time it, but thats advanced, well at least for me... use this as an intro more than anything.. I tried my best to explain it.... here goes... and

I meant to say post.... sorry.....

Here is an intro the link to the pic might not work, but u can see it as banks plate in my gallery.....

to get more power out of your truck the first and foremost investment is a good set of gauges. These are a must anytime that you are adding more fuel to your mix.

A governers spring kit, Reffered to as a GSK is a wonderful investment that widens your normally narrow powerband from the 12 valve engine and allows you to fuel hard to at least 3200 RPMS or so, before it starts to defuel, this is all dependant on your governer arm adjustment and your plate positioning. A Torque, or fuel plate should come next. NO one really follows the plate guide anymore and the most popular plates nowadays are 100 (PM northslope for wicked work! ) and a zero plate. Piers Diesel Research and Hot Rod Diesels have them for the same price, The fuel plate... here is my explanation....

Torque plates.... ok this is a torque plate right here...

More commonly reffered to as fuel plates, they come in different numbers to explain how "aggressive" (for lack of a better term at the moment) that they are 10, 8, 6, 5, 0, and 100, zero being a flatt plate that bombards the pump with fuel, and a 100 being a ten plate curve with no top end defueling, much like the zero.. The one you see there is my banks plate, screwy yes, i know, i dont get it myself. that plate goes in the P7100 injector pump, It goes under what is called the AFC housing, which has a little starwheel on it, the starwheel can be accessed with the removal of the hex dealy using the the right hex head size plug, and u loosen it for more smoke, and better lower end, and tighten it for the inverse. Use a good screwdriver.... furthermore... You will see four screws there where the starwheel is, two that are flatt, one that is possibly a breakoff screw that can be a real PITA to remove, take a hammer and good screwdriver and bang the tar outta it, it will come off, if that fails, left hand drill bit... Looking down the driver side, the top left hand is the breakaway, and the top right is a regular screw as well, the bottom two are 8mm bolts and you need to get around to one that is in the back of the AFC housing that holds that fuel shutdown solenoid in place...

Install time, for a newbie, well it will take you about a couple of hours at most. If you read my literal "dissertation" of a post hehehehehehe. it tells u the procedure on how to do it. Your only real problem might be that break off screw, especially if your truck is stock, However, nothing a good strong screwdriver and some persuasion cannot take care of.

The other tricky bolt is the one (if you look down from the drivers side) behind the Fuel shutdown soleniod (electronic hooked up deal that bolts in front of the injector pump, easily removed with in my case an 8mm (and most should be too) socket and pull out the two bolts. when you undo those ull notice that there is one in the back that is holding the housing, you can just loosen the one in the rear using a deep 8 mm socket and just move teh shutdown soleniod out of the way, (downward) and then you can get to the plate..

When you are in there its simple adjustment, u just remove the stock plate and put the other plate in place of that one. NOTICE you have some play here. If you dont have gauges, dont set it full forward, If you do have gauges set it forward for a 30 or so rwhp increase!

Now put it back together and you are done. Installation is simply the reverse of removing it.PS having a magnetic tip screwdriver REALLY HELPS...

Which one is right for you.. id say the ten if you are not gonna be that aggressive with it, but the 100 is downright WICKED!! that be the one to go with, the zero is just too much at the low end for me but for dynos and racin, its awesome!.. The zero, PM Northslope AWESOME AWESOME WORK, and ull be helpin out a fellow DTR member, and the zero plate you can grind yourself, well you can do either or, but PM northslope do a search for plate grinding, started by gunracer1.. good instructions..

Either ways, you are going to need a clutch or tranny work if its an auto.....if you are going to play hard, in most cases if you just want a modest power gain, just get a 10 plate, set it a lil bit forward, and a GSK will wake up your truck. In the stock position its easily drivable and fun as well.

Waste gate, if i was good with pictures id put one up for you, but im sure you know what the wastegate looks like, that head looking deal, it is usually hooked to a rubber or similar airline, you want a little more boost? You can get a longer hose or pinch it up, There is a thread, i dont member where tho, where it shows someone improperly blocking the wastgate with a screw.... Well that aint good.. Anyways

Also make sure you get the KDP done on that truck as well... Not hard to do, look in my previous posts, KDP Report Using TST kit, or somethin similar to that......

PS this is cut and paste of other posts, sorry if its redundant....

Best of luck and hope that this helps..

Tx
I copied this from Rick (and fixed an old pic link for the fuel plate (the one that is posted is a #0 plate)), he has tought me alot...

It is a good explanition, and introduction to the 12v, and modifying one.
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Congrat's on the truck you have a good one. The KDP= Killer Dowel Pin. This is an alingment pin in the front gear case witch can vibrate out and ruin your day costing alot of$$$$, But there is a fix for this. I suggest using this kit:http://www.tstproducts.com/index.asp...PROD&ProdID=64

GSK= govener spring kit. this kit will increase you RPM's and will greatly broden your powerband. They come in a 3gsk(3,000RPM) and a 4gsk(4,000RPM) with the 4gsk you will need to upgrade your valve spring to 60lbs. ones.

Fuel plate= a plate inside of the injection pump wich controls the way the pump fuels, there are several different types of plates out there that are made to sute different peoples needs, I would suggest a 100 plate.

I hope this helps, if not TXdiesel007 has a nice write up that he will probably post when he can. Good luck with your truck and if you have any other questions feel free to ask

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Rejoice,you've got a truck alot of guys would like to get their hands on.Its got the new interior ,12v and you've got the 215 pump too.Thats the best if you are wondering.And i think that truck runs an 80 in the rear or is it a 70/80 hybrid in those trucks guys?Congrats,now turn it into a sled puller
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Yeah, the manual transmission 2500 have a Dana 80. I believe it shares some parts with a 70 though.
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GREAT! I going to do this in a manner that is going to take some time so I'll be asking for a lot more info. I don't want to over do it for now until I understand more of the techs. For now tho, what gauges (after the DKP is installed) should I be looking at?
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Originally Posted by Austin'sDodge
Alright you win. I'm probaly the jealous one.
HA!!! Power Envy

BackroadsOH...where exactly are you?? Look at the KDP, get the timing set, run the valves, guages, and throw a clean air filter and a straight pipe at it

Then bring it to me, and I'll get it running right Just don't let me go too far...stock turbos and I don't get along Killed #2 last night in less than 2 miles

Chris


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