Its official... I want to do a NV4500 swap in my dually.
02-18-2008, 12:12 PM
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http://www.balsleyautosales.com/
Sells nearly complete 5spd conversion kits.
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02-18-2008, 07:34 PM
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34.
My whole family is gearheads. We all have fast cars. Just traded in the Nissan Armada for an Infiniti G35x AWD, Can you say turbo kit on the way.
My Bro runs a 500hp 1988 RX-7. The rotary is a 1.3Liter. His wife has a hooked up WRX.
My Dad has a 67 chevelle 396 and his wife has a hooked up Miata.
Nothing wrong with stock, its just not for me.
My whole family is gearheads. We all have fast cars. Just traded in the Nissan Armada for an Infiniti G35x AWD, Can you say turbo kit on the way.
My Bro runs a 500hp 1988 RX-7. The rotary is a 1.3Liter. His wife has a hooked up WRX.
My Dad has a 67 chevelle 396 and his wife has a hooked up Miata.
Nothing wrong with stock, its just not for me.
02-18-2008, 08:11 PM
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My whole family is gearheads. We all have fast cars. Just traded in the Nissan Armada for an Infiniti G35x AWD, Can you say turbo kit on the way.
My Bro runs a 500hp 1988 RX-7. The rotary is a 1.3Liter. His wife has a hooked up WRX.
My Dad has a 67 chevelle 396 and his wife has a hooked up Miata.
Nothing wrong with stock, its just not for me.
My whole family is gearheads. We all have fast cars. Just traded in the Nissan Armada for an Infiniti G35x AWD, Can you say turbo kit on the way.
My Bro runs a 500hp 1988 RX-7. The rotary is a 1.3Liter. His wife has a hooked up WRX.
My Dad has a 67 chevelle 396 and his wife has a hooked up Miata.
Nothing wrong with stock, its just not for me.
A-ha so you have ricers !!!! Busted !!!
No problem, just different point of views, I am 15 years older, 2 grandchildren already, I look more at reliable and stout, than fast and furious.... you know I'm the classic "Old fart"
02-18-2008, 08:30 PM
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I bought the Armada in early 04, put 60,000 miles on it, towed my 27' camper all over the USA with it and had ZERO problems with it. If it was a Ford, Dodge or Chevy Gasser, it would have been broken by now.
JMO.
02-18-2008, 09:01 PM
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Dont know where dieselman2300 gets his info, but this is yet another example of dont believe everything your read on the internet'.
NV5600 is a great, strong, proven trans NV4500 is a great, strong, proven trans
NV5600 GCVW 26,000lbs
NV4500 GCVW 21,000lbs
47RE GCVW 19,000lbs
Is the NV5600 stronger based on those ratings? Or were the manufacturers just pulling numbers out their behinds??
Why do you keep saying the manuals are good for stock to mild HP?
There are lots of trucks at crazy high HP that are running sticks!! why because all you have to do is put in a clutch and they are DONE!
No complete rebuilds with billet shafts, valve bodies, torque converters, bands, accumulators, servos etc.... Hey they are strong right out of the box!!
Oh parts are readily available for my 5600, maybe not as available as the 4500, but no more difficult to find then a reputable slushbox builder... I can have any part for my trans delivered within a week...
NV5600 is a great, strong, proven trans NV4500 is a great, strong, proven trans
NV5600 GCVW 26,000lbs
NV4500 GCVW 21,000lbs
47RE GCVW 19,000lbs
Is the NV5600 stronger based on those ratings? Or were the manufacturers just pulling numbers out their behinds??
Why do you keep saying the manuals are good for stock to mild HP?
There are lots of trucks at crazy high HP that are running sticks!! why because all you have to do is put in a clutch and they are DONE!No complete rebuilds with billet shafts, valve bodies, torque converters, bands, accumulators, servos etc.... Hey they are strong right out of the box!!
Oh parts are readily available for my 5600, maybe not as available as the 4500, but no more difficult to find then a reputable slushbox builder... I can have any part for my trans delivered within a week...
02-18-2008, 09:31 PM
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Dont know where dieselman2300 gets his info, but this is yet another example of dont believe everything your read on the internet'.
NV5600 is a great, strong, proven trans NV4500 is a great, strong, proven trans
NV5600 GCVW 26,000lbs
NV4500 GCVW 21,000lbs
47RE GCVW 19,000lbs
Is the NV5600 stronger based on those ratings? Or were the manufacturers just pulling numbers out their behinds??
Why do you keep saying the manuals are good for stock to mild HP? There are lots of trucks at crazy high HP that are running sticks!! why because all you have to do is put in a clutch and they are DONE!
No complete rebuilds with billet shafts, valve bodies, torque converters, bands, accumulators, servos etc.... Hey they are strong right out of the box!!
Oh parts are readily available for my 5600, maybe not as available as the 4500, but no more difficult to find then a reputable slushbox builder... I can have any part for my trans delivered within a week...
NV5600 is a great, strong, proven trans NV4500 is a great, strong, proven trans
NV5600 GCVW 26,000lbs
NV4500 GCVW 21,000lbs
47RE GCVW 19,000lbs
Is the NV5600 stronger based on those ratings? Or were the manufacturers just pulling numbers out their behinds??
Why do you keep saying the manuals are good for stock to mild HP?
There are lots of trucks at crazy high HP that are running sticks!! why because all you have to do is put in a clutch and they are DONE!No complete rebuilds with billet shafts, valve bodies, torque converters, bands, accumulators, servos etc.... Hey they are strong right out of the box!!
Oh parts are readily available for my 5600, maybe not as available as the 4500, but no more difficult to find then a reputable slushbox builder... I can have any part for my trans delivered within a week...
All of this info is easily found if you can use the search button.
BTW, if you want to run a bigger dual disc in a NV4500, you have to buy a new 1 3/8" shaft.
If you put a 1 3/8" shaft in a NV4500 I bet you its alot stronger than a NV5600.
The reason why I say manuals are for stock to moderate Horsepower is because you cant shift them as fast as an Auto can.
Yes, you can still get parts for the NV5600, but for how long and why do people want to spend the extra money for a sub-par trans? All you get is an extra gear between 3rd and 4th.
Also, a rebuilt NV4500 runs about $1700 with a 1 3/8" shaft. A dual disc is about $1800. Thats $3500 without shipping. You can get a Goerend for $3550 that will shift faster and WONT break with a BETTER warranty.
Heck, www.drivetrain.com cant even supply NV5600 for their conversion anymore. That right there tells me something, that the availability of them isnt that great. And besides, the conversion from them used to cost $3475 WITHOUT a clutch. All that EXTRA money for a gear between 3rd and 4th
.I wonder how many NV4500s they have?
Boy, look at www.quad4x4.com and THEY ARE SOLD OUT OF THEM TOO.
I wonder how many NV4500s they have?
One day all you NV5600 guys will be swapping to NV4500s, its only a matter of time.
DO A SEARCH!
BTW. This is why we have OPINIONS!
02-18-2008, 09:38 PM
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HERE the ratios dont lie.
Ratio Data
NV-4500
First Gear 5.61
Second Gear 3.04
Third Gear 1.67
Fourth Gear 1.00
Fifth Gear 0.74
NV-5600
First Gear 5.63
Second Gear 3.38
Third Gear 2.04
Forth Gear 1.39
Fifth Gear 1.00
Sixth Gear 0.73
Ratio Data
NV-4500
First Gear 5.61
Second Gear 3.04
Third Gear 1.67
Fourth Gear 1.00
Fifth Gear 0.74
NV-5600
First Gear 5.63
Second Gear 3.38
Third Gear 2.04
Forth Gear 1.39
Fifth Gear 1.00
Sixth Gear 0.73
02-18-2008, 09:51 PM
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Maybe all the NV4500's are available is because people want the NV5600 Probably not, but that is my opinion.
I'll keep my NV5600, when I want to go faster I'll just turn 4th a little higher and go to 6th.
While I agree that there are time that I wish I had an auto, I too like to row the gears. That is part of the enjoyment of my truck.
If we want to talk about cost effectiveness, then perhaps we should look at how much money we spent on making these overweight things move fast. I am certain that there are much more cost effective ways of going fast cheaper, perhaps in a supercharged Yugo.
I do it (spend the money and choose to shift) because I enjoy it everyday when I drive my truck to and from work. I've done that now for the last 183,000 miles and look forward to doing it for at least another 183,000 miles. And yes in the past I had an auto, and drove it for over 200,000 miles, won't do that again.
Now if I could just figure out how to drink my coffee and shift.
As far as the difference between the 5600 and 4500 to me it is a 50/50 draw. With a 5 speed you can get through the patern quicker, but on a long haul with a marginal turbo the 6th geaar is nice since you can drop to 5th and cool things down a little. Try to get that control in an auto.
In other words Dieselfuelonly, sounds like you have a good plan if thats what you want. Unfortunatley I have no idea what it takes or how much it will cost like you originally asked.
Probably not, but that is my opinion.I'll keep my NV5600, when I want to go faster I'll just turn 4th a little higher and go to 6th.
While I agree that there are time that I wish I had an auto, I too like to row the gears. That is part of the enjoyment of my truck.
If we want to talk about cost effectiveness, then perhaps we should look at how much money we spent on making these overweight things move fast. I am certain that there are much more cost effective ways of going fast cheaper, perhaps in a supercharged Yugo.
I do it (spend the money and choose to shift) because I enjoy it everyday when I drive my truck to and from work. I've done that now for the last 183,000 miles and look forward to doing it for at least another 183,000 miles. And yes in the past I had an auto, and drove it for over 200,000 miles, won't do that again.
Now if I could just figure out how to drink my coffee and shift.
As far as the difference between the 5600 and 4500 to me it is a 50/50 draw. With a 5 speed you can get through the patern quicker, but on a long haul with a marginal turbo the 6th geaar is nice since you can drop to 5th and cool things down a little. Try to get that control in an auto.
In other words Dieselfuelonly, sounds like you have a good plan if thats what you want. Unfortunatley I have no idea what it takes or how much it will cost like you originally asked.
02-18-2008, 09:56 PM
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Info, comes from the DTR members, Comp. Diesel members, Cummins forum members and TDR members. Also, Blumenthals and Quad4x4.
All of this info is easily found if you can use the search button.
BTW, if you want to run a bigger dual disc in a NV4500, you have to buy a new 1 3/8" shaft.
If you put a 1 3/8" shaft in a NV4500 I bet you its alot stronger than a NV5600.
The reason why I say manuals are for stock to moderate Horsepower is because you cant shift them as fast as an Auto can. OK so now it can hold the power but it cant shift as fast, so we are changing our statement... Wont contest that I can shift as fast as an auto... That's fine I drive a truck that tows and works its butt off.. I prefer a manual for reliability and the ability to make that perfect gear selection when towing... Now it can hold my little 600HP just fine, I run it down the strip and can break a 100mph... faster than an auto with the same amount of HP no, did I buy a 8000# 4x4 6spd diesel truck for a dragster? Nope... You throw in your little "BTW you have to upgrade your input shaft on a 4500" and "if you can use the search button to try and make me look dumb and reality you show what a 
you really are! Nice try....
Yes, you can still get parts for the NV5600, but for how long and why do people want to spend the extra money for a sub-par trans? All you get is an extra gear between 3rd and 4th. Wow you did really good in this post... why dont you check here: http://www.garbee.net/~cabell/transmission.htm and educate yourself some... the gear ratios are spread out from 1st to 6th. This is ideal for towing as it keeps the engines RPM closer to its ideal range
Also, a rebuilt NV4500 runs about $1700 with a 1 3/8" shaft. A dual disc is about $1800. Thats $3500 without shipping. You can get a Goerend for $3550 that will shift faster and WONT break with a BETTER warranty. Maybe you should try your search button... Lots have had issues with goerend trans... So the WONT break statement, up for debate, could my 5600 break? yep can any of these trans break? yep
Why is it most (notice I didn't say all?) sled pullers use manuals? Is it because sled pullers always look for weak components to drag that 80,000lb sled down the track? Dont think so? me either....
Heck, www.drivetrain.com cant even supply NV5600 for their conversion anymore. That right there tells me something, that the availability of them isnt that great. And besides, the conversion from them used to cost $3475 WITHOUT a clutch. All that EXTRA money for a gear between 3rd and 4th. all you want, cause guess what your still wrong!!
I wonder how many NV4500s they have?
Boy, look at www.quad4x4.com and THEY ARE SOLD OUT OF THEM TOO.
I wonder how many NV4500s they have?
One day all you NV5600 guys will be swapping to NV4500s, its only a matter of time. doubt it... probably go to a G56 if I couldn't find parts anymore, but seeing as how parts are readily avail for me dont see that happening any time soon
DO A SEARCH!
BTW. This is why we have OPINIONS! Some better than others!
All of this info is easily found if you can use the search button.
BTW, if you want to run a bigger dual disc in a NV4500, you have to buy a new 1 3/8" shaft.
If you put a 1 3/8" shaft in a NV4500 I bet you its alot stronger than a NV5600.
The reason why I say manuals are for stock to moderate Horsepower is because you cant shift them as fast as an Auto can.
OK so now it can hold the power but it cant shift as fast, so we are changing our statement... Wont contest that I can shift as fast as an auto... That's fine I drive a truck that tows and works its butt off.. I prefer a manual for reliability and the ability to make that perfect gear selection when towing... Now it can hold my little 600HP just fine, I run it down the strip and can break a 100mph... faster than an auto with the same amount of HP no, did I buy a 8000# 4x4 6spd diesel truck for a dragster? Nope... You throw in your little "BTW you have to upgrade your input shaft on a 4500" and "if you can use the search button to try and make me look dumb and reality you show what a you really are! Nice try....Yes, you can still get parts for the NV5600, but for how long and why do people want to spend the extra money for a sub-par trans? All you get is an extra gear between 3rd and 4th. Wow you did really good in this post... why dont you check here: http://www.garbee.net/~cabell/transmission.htm and educate yourself some... the gear ratios are spread out from 1st to 6th. This is ideal for towing as it keeps the engines RPM closer to its ideal range
Also, a rebuilt NV4500 runs about $1700 with a 1 3/8" shaft. A dual disc is about $1800. Thats $3500 without shipping. You can get a Goerend for $3550 that will shift faster and WONT break with a BETTER warranty. Maybe you should try your search button... Lots have had issues with goerend trans... So the WONT break statement, up for debate, could my 5600 break? yep can any of these trans break? yep
Why is it most (notice I didn't say all?) sled pullers use manuals? Is it because sled pullers always look for weak components to drag that 80,000lb sled down the track? Dont think so? me either....
Heck, www.drivetrain.com cant even supply NV5600 for their conversion anymore. That right there tells me something, that the availability of them isnt that great. And besides, the conversion from them used to cost $3475 WITHOUT a clutch. All that EXTRA money for a gear between 3rd and 4th
. all you want, cause guess what your still wrong!! I wonder how many NV4500s they have?
Boy, look at www.quad4x4.com and THEY ARE SOLD OUT OF THEM TOO.
I wonder how many NV4500s they have?
One day all you NV5600 guys will be swapping to NV4500s, its only a matter of time.
doubt it... probably go to a G56 if I couldn't find parts anymore, but seeing as how parts are readily avail for me dont see that happening any time soonDO A SEARCH!
BTW. This is why we have OPINIONS! Some better than others!
02-18-2008, 09:57 PM
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Wow your right!! Do you know how to read them?
02-18-2008, 11:29 PM
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When you youngsters grow up and see the light, you'll want G56 beer-can tranny's like the rest of us who know better!
02-19-2008, 12:25 AM
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If you need any part #'s heres a link that might help you out, I came across it today on here and thought I'd pass it around, it might help you find a little part or two. http://www.jameskowalski.com/Dodge/Parts/index.html
1994-1996 trucks http://www.jameskowalski.com/Dodge/P...996_Trucks.pdf
02-19-2008, 08:35 AM
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Then again... Why aren't you pulling in Alvarado?? j/k
02-19-2008, 08:49 AM
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XLR8R At what age does that happen?
I found that as I got older, I discovered the lever rule and hydraulics....
I'm past my middle age crisis and still want more power.
I found that as I got older, I discovered the lever rule and hydraulics....
I'm past my middle age crisis and still want more power.
02-19-2008, 09:14 AM
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HUH?
If your clutch slips PUT A BIGGER ONE IN!
I have never heard of a NV4500 shaft breaking, why is the NV4500 the trans. choice for sled pullers? Because they can take more abuse than a NV5600.
Synchros wear out just as fast in either trans.
And as far as parts go, your wrong!
I just got a Blumenthals NV4500 with a 1 3/8" fully splined shaft and brass synchros.
Its funny that BOTH Blumenthals and Quad4x4 advised me to stay away from an NV5600 swap for all of the reasons I mentioned before. I guess they are wrong to?
If your clutch slips PUT A BIGGER ONE IN!
I have never heard of a NV4500 shaft breaking, why is the NV4500 the trans. choice for sled pullers? Because they can take more abuse than a NV5600.
Synchros wear out just as fast in either trans.
And as far as parts go, your wrong!
I just got a Blumenthals NV4500 with a 1 3/8" fully splined shaft and brass synchros.
Its funny that BOTH Blumenthals and Quad4x4 advised me to stay away from an NV5600 swap for all of the reasons I mentioned before. I guess they are wrong to?