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Its official... I want to do a NV4500 swap in my dually.

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Old 02-17-2008, 01:21 AM
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I'm with StrokerAce. Ive got a 94 auto truck and hate the bloody trans. That thing never knows what gear to be in, if I'm towing its shifting gears every five seconds and God forbid I hook the truck to a sled. If I had all the parts I'd do a 5 spd swap TONIGHT!

Why is everyone ASSUMING that he wants to run this truck at the drag strip? Maybe he's like me and wants to sled pull. Or maybe he doesn't want to burn a transmission up everytime he tows a trailer or maybe he just likes rowin gears. He's already got a fairly well built auto and he's decided he wants a 5 spd. What happened to answering somebody's question without all the BS?
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I agree with Strokerace, do the swap. My brother and i did in his 97 and it made it a different truck. The only thing i can say is that if you buy a tranny, all the parts to install it, plus a twin disc clutch, you will have $4500 invested which is enough to buy a **** good ATS. I just believe a manual is a better and more durable way for tight pockets to put power to the ground. Typically, a good rebuilt tranny should not have any problems for a long service life. If you want a tow rig, this setup should outlast the truck. I hope this will help you decied what to do. Tim
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Originally Posted by dieselman2300
HUH?
If your clutch slips PUT A BIGGER ONE IN!
I just got a Blumenthals NV4500 with a 1 3/8" fully splined shaft and brass synchros.
Its funny that BOTH Blumenthals and Quad4x4 advised me to stay away from an NV5600 swap for all of the reasons I mentioned before. I guess they are wrong to?
I am comparing to stock transmission, just like you buy them at the dealer
Who cares what you can do with your transmission, look up the facts.
Tell me why they installed a 1 3/8" shaft in the 4500
Anybody can dump thousands of $$ in clutches and beef up trannys, you can do anything with money

Ask Bluemental why Dodge installed the NV5600 instead of NV4500
Old 02-17-2008, 07:42 AM
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The 5600 parts are very hard to get these days, the 4500 parts are readily available, you can put whatever clutch you want in when you do the swap so that point is mute. The other little problem with the 5600 in an older truck is the lack of a simple way to add the speedo. Dennis has the speedo gear in his auto, the 5600 has no provision for a speedo gear.
Old 02-17-2008, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Mcmopar
The 5600 parts are very hard to get these days, the 4500 parts are readily available

I was of same idea about 5600 some times ago, but I talked to shops locally and found out they are available just like 4500, there is a larger rebuilder here that has 6 of them on the shelves ready to go, they sell parts and they have no problem at all. I am not trying to sell anything, I was in the same boat few months ago and found out about this.
I am just trying to remove the "myth" that NV5600 are not good transmissions compared to a NV4500, and that parts now are available.
95% of these trucks are for pleasure or work, not everybody wants to pull drag.
In my hands on experience, I repeat hands on, not read on the internet or heard from the cousin of the friend, the NV5600 setup is much more reliable, workable, and dependable than the NV4500.
I am at my 5th CTD, 1 auto, 2 5 speed, and 2 6 speed.
I have only 2 choices:
Manual 6 speed or Goerend auto, that's it.
Old 02-17-2008, 09:52 AM
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Ok guys I appreciate all the responses here, but I think I should clear some things up.

I don't want to go fast. Going fast is something that I have never really been into. Yeah its fun, but taking my truck to the drag strip just doesn't interest me all that much. I love watching it, I love watching sledpulls, but I just don't think that its the kind of thing that I want to get into.

I just like the idea of shifting gears, mainly. Thats just it.

If I do the swap I will use a NV4500. Thats all there is to it. NO NV5600.

Now, I would REALLY appreciate it if someone could help me out with the following questions in my original post:

Can you give me an idea about some prices, such as:

How much the automatic in my my 3500 is worth.

How much the stock automatic in the 2500 is worth.

How much the parts for a 5spd swap are going to run.

Any ideas on a good place to find a NV4500 in NC?
Thanks for the input!

Dennis
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-How much the automatic in my my 3500 is worth.

I'd guess somewhere around $2300 or so.

-How much the stock automatic in the 2500 is worth.

$700-1000 depending on buyer if its in good condition like u say.

-How much the parts for a 5spd swap are going to run.

$2500 for all the needed parts is reasonable, then u can sell ur auto to recoupe alot of it.

-Any ideas on a good place to find a NV4500 in NC?

No.
Old 02-17-2008, 11:51 AM
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Bein a 2 wheel drive it's alot easier cause you don't have to swap transfer cases.

It could be done for under 2k or right at I'd say.

Me and deerguy are doin his pull truck (well till his flat bed trans locked up the other night), and it looks like he might have bout 2500 in it but thats with a clutch but just a stock replacement for the moment.

You should be able to break even no problem if you look hard enough.

The slave cylinder is 170 brand new threw dodge

Go to the junk yard for the peddles, rear drive shaft, and cross member

Look for a trans, 2wd seem to be a lil cheaper in my area than the 4x4 but mostly because there more 4x4s around here. You can get a reman. for 1350 but I'm not sure what there core charge is but if you can find a junk 5 speed real cheap (it's not that hard look at the junk yard some more). I mean if you gave 250 for a core and then gave 1350 for the reman. your gonna have bout 1600 in a reman. when just a used one is gonna probably gonna run you 1100. To me it would be worth the extra 500 cause you can't rebuild the 5 speed for 500 (well yeah if you gettin need any sharfts of forks).

I reallt think you should be able to break even or might make a lil which would be really nice.
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Does anyone know if I will have to do anything to my driveshaft? I have the 2 piece shaft on my dually.
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I have a 98 nv4500 2wd and all parts but the pedals I'm told that the auto drive shaft is the same length pm me if intrested.
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Originally Posted by Valv
I am comparing to stock transmission, just like you buy them at the dealer
Who cares what you can do with your transmission, look up the facts.
Tell me why they installed a 1 3/8" shaft in the 4500
Anybody can dump thousands of $$ in clutches and beef up trannys, you can do anything with money

Ask Bluemental why Dodge installed the NV5600 instead of NV4500
STOCK, whats stock?

I'm on my way to 700hp. Thats why I want an auto.
Like I said in my previous posts, NV4500 are good for stock to mild horsepower. THATS ALL!

You also need to take it easy with the Dummy guy. Lary doesnt like that to much.
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Originally Posted by dieselman2300
STOCK, whats stock?

I'm on my way to 700hp. Thats why I want an auto.
Like I said in my previous posts, NV4500 are good for stock to mild horsepower. THATS ALL!

You also need to take it easy with the Dummy guy. Lary doesnt like that to much.


What is your age BTW ?
Old 02-18-2008, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by dieselfuelonly
The auto is already built (a little bit), and its great, but like I said I would just like a 5spd. I have driven a vehicle with a manual trans before. The 6 speed would be nice, but isn't it more expensive, and parts harder to come by, and when you need them more expensive?
Why not just sell one

and get a vehicle with a five speed, and 4x4 lord knows u need it...

Rick
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I think he got his truck for 6k, so even if he had to put 1k of his own money into the swap, u still cant find a 12v 4x4 for under 8k in good condition.

Say all the parts cost 2500, he sells his auto to his dad for 2k, he's 500 out of pocket to do the swap, pretty good deal if its a 5spd he really wants.
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Originally Posted by TxDiesel007
and get a vehicle with a five speed, and 4x4 lord knows u need it...

Rick
That... is very true... BUT:

I don't think I would be able to get enough from selling my dually to find a 4x4 5spd CTD... And I don't have the extra money to put towards one right now either.


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