Yeah i agree that running a IC setup without the intercooler is stupid. Unless you can change detune the pump and run a smaller injector. But why?

If i was you i would purchase a Intercooler off ebay something like a GN intercooler. It is same side dual pass and can be mounted in small spaces or even weird angles.

You can mount them horizontal or vertical. Do you have any pictures of this setup?

 

Agreed- but that's what I said in the first place- you need to detune the engine to be within specs for the B series Non intercooled- which means rejetting the pump or replacing the pump. Not all engines are intercooled, because not all engines are DESIGNED to be intercooled. That's the same thought process that gets to removing the AFH because engines other engines in the B series run fine without them- you're not doing the other needed modifications to run that way.

The early autos had smaller pumps- 180's versus the 215,s in the standards because the transmission was a weak link the 1st gens were not intercooled, they had smaller pump orifices to limit fuel and power- you need to do some research and go back to that setup if you drop the intercooler IF you want the engine to live long reguardless of the weight loss of the vehicle. Belive me, the engine doesn't give a rats whatever that you put it in a Ford OR that the Ford weighs less when it's getting too much fuel and hot air to breath.

You said it yourself KAS, you don't need an intercooler if driven properly and tuned properly...... you need to tune it properly to delete the intercooler.

Listen gages are not the be all end all of driving or modifying an engine and will not save you in a bad situation created by a poor choice mod- common sense and a real understanding of what is happening under the hood are WAY more important. We grill newbs for wanting to remove the fuel plate and AFH without gages but think about that for a second- what are you really telling them. Not "Don't do this without gages" as if gages alone will save the engine. You're telling them 'Don't do that without some common sense and an idea of what you're doing', the gages are the extension of that, not the defacto.

KAS, Can you do this- yes. Should you do this- That is for you to decide. Can you just drop it off and drive- sure, but is that the smart thing to do- NO. If you're going through all the work of putting this engine in that Ford, WHY would you drop the last step and fail to ensure the longevity of your work, that's just dumb.

 

Well first off there is a lot of wrong information in this thread as the last 2.5 years of the first gens ARE intercooled among other information. Some people posting in this thread need to do some more research of their own! But thats not what the thread starter was asking.


There is no kit but one could be fabricated easily.

The first couple years of the 1st gen were non intercooled and the compressor housing did not have the flange to clamp the "elbow" to, they just had a slip fit rubber coupling. On the intake side the intake plate was flipped so the intake was towards the back of the engine and the intake tube went over like the 4th cylinder valve cover. Oh and this crossover tube was only 2" i.d. I believe.

You can run without an intercooler, I would just make sure to have an EGT gauge and make sure to keep them in check. EGT's are the only thing you really need to worry about to keep the pistons from melting, assuming you are not running extremely advanced timing.

 

So......without the intercooler, just how do you suggest he "keep the egt's in check?" I'm not trying to argue, but I think we both know that there are differences and that there are more than a few things he could do to "keep the egt's in check", the easiest being an intercooler. The other thing to do would be reverting back to the early design pump to "defuel" the truck and lower egt's. Beyond that, anything else is just masking the problem.

 

Why would you swap a VE pump in it instead of tune the AFC properly, or even just slide the plate back. How about go to a different turbo thats more open on the exhaust side and more effecient compressor? If he wants to run this thing harder, that will be on the list anyway. Also adjust the timing. I don't see how proper tuning is a bandaid for not having an intercooler. Its a solution for not having an intercooler.

 

I agree......tuning, pump, or intercooler, but I don't think it can be run as is without one of those. That's all I was trying to get at.

 

just cut the rad support to fit the IC.........I know a number of old body Chevys here in calgary that have Cummins swaps and every one has the rad support trimmed to fit the IC. just do it that way. all this talk of detuning and smaller injectors.........just cut the rad support install the IC and be on your way. and not take a bunch of steps backwards to De-evolve the engine. I dunno just doesn't make an sense to me.

 

WHat do you mean there is no room for an Intercooler? If I can Shoehorn a Ford Power Stroke intercooler into a 79 Ford you should be able to.

 

I've yet to see a 1st gen with a factory intercooler- all I have seen are exactly as you described above. I have also failed to find any parts supplier listing an intercooler/aftercooler for a 1993 or earlier truck.

 

89-early 91 first gens are non- intercooled. 91.5-93 first gens are factory intercooled. Both forms of the engine have the same power rating, but there are big temperature differences when towing and working the engine hard.

 

I'm gonna have to bust my local dealer parts counter's stones over this....

I know the 1st gen's power levels were substantially lower then the 2nd gen...
In all the dealings with these trucks I've had I've never encountered an intercooled 1st gen...That kinda scares me in a weird way.

 

You're kinda wrong about that too. The power levels on first gens are not substatially lower that second gens. They were all 160/400 stock. Early 2nd gens were also 160/400. then they started going up 175/420, 180/440, 215/460?. Look at the Engine Data plate on your rig. I know that all of the auto trucks came with the lowest output for the given year.