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the Chevs are common rail correct?? Any idea how the fuel got in there?? Thanks<br>

Luke S

MCummings, My 20,500lb horse trailer is an average load for me. I have grossed a lot higher than that. I have done over 28,000lbs of trailer behind my 01 3500 HO/6-speed before. But at that weight the safety margin is freakin gone!. I couldn't stop that thing for anything, and 28k pushed that little Dodge ton truck around like it was a Ford Ranger. So I bought a smaller flatbed and pull lighter loads. My New trucks handle the 20,500lb horse trailer fine. Can I go 80 mph with it? Barely. Do I want to? No, because with my very expensive truck, horse trailer and 7 or 8 horses in it, only a fool would want to go that fast. And us dealers do not &quot;over-react&quot; to mods. Its DC who gets all over our A$$ if we warranty failures on drivetrains on trucks that have mods. You've never been on our side, and could be charged back a warranty repair that shouldn't have been warrantied in the first place.

crabman

Grandpa, I never said anything about towing beyond the rated limits, nor did the orignal post or the segue into running an ez. That is unsafe and while I think someone ought to have the right to kill themselves doing something stupid I disagree with it since they run the risk of hurting someone else. All though it may not sound like it I dont entirely disagree with Luke. I think the idea of being able to get 75 hp injectors from mopar is untrue. This came up back in October when I first got my truck and was proven untrue then. As I said I dont think its true, but I dont know it for fact so I did not say so. I also dont agree with the guy that smokes something on his engine then pulls off the parts and goes to the dealer and plays dumb, thats stealing. The part I disagree with is saying I should not do anything to my truck because someone else thinks I dont need or should want more power because the truck can tow its rated limit with the stock power. Excuse me but its my money and my truck and I believe I will do with it what I see fit. I will not be held hostage over a warranty. I do not expect DC to pay for my hobby, if something breaks because of the mods I make I will pay for it as I have already done. On the other hand using an unrelated mod as an excuse to deny warranty coverage is stealing and as I dont steal I also wont tolerate others stealing from me.

turbo thom

Crabman:<br> Very well put. Thank you.<br><br>..Preston..

bneaves

The injector codes as BamBam mentioned are not going to change the fuel delivery to engine unless you use all high flow injectors with low flow codes set into PCM. Say the original injectors flow 3 GPH, and the PCM is set up to control them for 3 GPH to achieve rated HP. The &quot;other&quot; injectors are rated to flow 5 GPH, and the PCM still knows this, it will shorten the injector pulses to accomodate the extra fuel flow in these injectors. It might be possible to use a 5 GPH injector and set the PCM to think : the engine is using a 3 GPH injector, therefore creating more fuel per stroke of the plunger. These trim codes as we call them are just to tailor each individual injector so that all engines run the same on each cylinder. It is also for more of emissions than for power. If you can change trim codes and get a &quot;matched&quot; set of injectors I don't see more than 3-5% increase in HP at the max, and this would be @ flywheel. This is only MHO, and we all know how opinions go. ;D But we use the same type of setups in our new version 12 liter engines(VED12D), since the new emission went into effect Oct.'02. <br>Brian<br>Volvo Trucks North America<br>Technical Support Specialist

Dodgezilla

I like the idea of 75 HP that is approved by Chrysler. Don't they also make fueling boxes like the EZ?<br>$2000.00 is a bit much for 75 HP though. I read somewhere that they have come out with a scanner which can tell if you had a fueling box on your truck.

KatDiesel

[quote author=Cummins Luke link=board=17;threadid=14801;start=0#138904 date=1053105904]
so why is it that people want to take a chance on voiding warranty's on these 30, 40, or $45k trucks? I dont get it. Mine runs like a raped ape just the way it is? :
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Because its fun. Have you been in a truck that has been modified substantually? I wouldn't want any of the dealers around here tinkering with my engine or transmission anyhow.

phox_mulder

Remember all those Dealers selling Banks products claiming &quot;it won't void the warranty, trust me&quot;.

How about RV 275 injectors for the 24 valvers?
Made by Bosch, used in other ISB applications by Cummins, but put them in a Dodge, and bye bye warranty.

Remember, a salesmans job is to sell you stuff, nothing more.
Whether it is good for you or not, whether you need it or not.


phox

DF5152

[quote author=GrandpasRam link=board=7;threadid=14801;start=0#138974 date=1053117069]<br>I'm going to side with Luke on this one. If you are running well beyond the rating of the vehicle, you're tempting fate with an unsafe rig. If you want to hop it up for a drag strip, fine, do as you wish. Anyone who wants to tow twice the rated load these trucks are made for is trying to run close to the limit of a Freightliner FL70, and should probably really be running a FL106 for the job. 30K+ lbs of trailer and cargo is in the tractor class vehicle. Just my 2 cents.<br>[/quote]<br><br>I have been hot roding things for years. Its an obsession however I dont hot rod my stuff to go beyond what its rated for, towing more than rating. This is a big safety issue and im not willing to risk mine or some unknowing third party. Around here my breatheran Police officers will impound your vehicle in a blink of an eye if your grossly over loaded. and it will probably cost half what the truck is worth to get it back. On the flip side I dont think it is right for a dealer to say just because u have a mod it void the warantee. I understand they have deeper pockets than we do but and air filter change should not void a tranny warantee but may give you some trouble with your turbo and an exhaust should not void a rear axle wanrantee. you get the idea...it all comes down to money some one has to pay. it as usual it will be the guy with the least amount of money.

KATOOM

YES... I have to add to this post!!! I Cant belive I read these critical and judgmental replys! NO ONE has the right to tell anyone that they shouldnt modify their truck. Dont like it? Then go away! Dont read these posts. By the way why do you read the &quot;high performance-aftermarket&quot; section anyway? If you like to drive your truck stock then hurray for you. But for your info, how do you think these engines got to be the way they are? Why do you think power and torque ratings have increased throughout the years? Well, I will share. AFTERMARKET MODIFICATIONS! The manufactures have been watching what we are fabricating and modifying realizing that &quot;hey this stuff works and makes the motor more desirable to drive&quot;. Do you think the '03 comes with a larger exhaust stock because DC felt like spending the extra money?<br>By the way, I have a dealer 40 miles from me that is also a dealer for BD and Edge products. They install every modification and stand behind the product. Why? Dont know, but I do know those dealers exist and calling BD will get you a list of them. I drive the 80 mile round trip instead of going down the street to find that my (better than stock) air filter voided my warranty! Feel free to do what ever you want with your stuff, but dont preach to me about my stuff. Sorry dont mean to be so emotional, just struck a bad nerve. &gt;

HOHN

Merrick:<br><br>How would gauges have let your Dad spot the leaking injector? Would EGT or boost numbers be all whacked out? Oil pressure?<br><br>I have Fuel Pressure, Boost, and EGT because I don't think I need more than that.<br><br>Was it, in fact, a leaking injector that caused the problem?<br><br>ANother DMAX goes the way of the 6.0PSD<br><br>HOHN

GrandpasRam

Guys, you are grossly misunderstanding the point I was trying to make. The point was BOMB ALL YOU WANT, just understand that related mechanical failure is your dime, and as long as you are not endangering everyone else with crazy driving on public roads, no problem. The point about overloading was a caution to think before doing, as you can drive around the Dallas on any given day and find some idiot in a mini-pickup or half-tonner trying to tow a 20K lb. load and wondering why their axle breaks, tires blow out, or lose control and kill 5 other people in the wrong side of the median. <br><br>Why do I read the high performance aftermarket section? Simple: I learn a lot about the kinds of mods that cause problems, and those that don't. You have all been a help for information about putting in guages, running EBrake, etc. Later this year I will add a Scotty III to help reduce EGT's. <br><br>I really was not trying to offend, only point out that these size trucks have practical limitations as an entire unit, and if you want to pull 30K+ on public roads you need something that has the suspension, brakes etc. to do it safely. Sorry if it came across the wrong way!

Luke S

Any Dodge dealer who is selling or installing BD and Edge products better watch his A$$. DC will not put up with this anymore. You guys have no Idea what it is like to be on my side of this. Yes, I could lie to DC and turn my head and do engine and drivetrain warranty work on moded trucks, but I am taking a big chance of those warranty claim costs coming out of my pocket when they come and audit us every year or two. We refuse to jeopardize our business and our money because some body wants to be able to outrun a Duramax or PSD. I am not saying DC is giving us trouble about a radio, or tie rod end, or any other non drivetrain part when it comes to warranty on a moded truck. But if you have pump problems, tranny problems, turbo problems, and you've got a hoped up truck, don't come cryin to me when DC wont pay, cause all I'll say is I told ya so. We will not risk losing our franchise by doing drivetrain warranty work on moded trucks, so you guys can have some fun. And to whoever it was who asked if I've ever driven a moded truck, yes, I owned one. Last year I bought an old 97 3500 with a 12-valve for a farm truck. We put 4&quot; exhaust, afe megacannon, different fuel plate, and a different turbo on it and it ran like a scallded dog. I mainly did this for the fun of it. But this truck had 135,000 miles on it and had no warranty left. So it was a non issue. This truck also ran hotter than hell with my six horse trailer on it and runnin down the road 70mph. But that was my baby, cause it had no warranty to worry about. I have no problem with moding a truck if it is out of warranty. But I do have a problem moding a brand new $35-40-45K truck when it is all ready running 305 hp and then wanting a dealer to fix it when it breaks. Or taking off the mods and bringing it in and trying to get it fixed.

KATOOM

<br>You are right about over loading. Very dangerous. Good point!<br><br><br>Dealers do exist that work on modified trucks under warranty and yea if you remove mods to get it fixed then thats cheating. But hey if the dealer wants to deal with DC then whats your problem? I dont think they are trying to be sneaky when they are advertising the fact they do these mods.<br> Who is asking you to jeopardize anything? Either fix it or dont. All you have to say is NO. How many guys have actually tried to take DC to court? Let alone over a modified situation? Try not to be so angry about modifications. Like I said before, this is how these engines have increased HP and TORQUE over the years. Manufactures watching the aftermarket. We are basicaly test vehicles for future rides. At our own expense!