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02-16-2004, 01:52 AM
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Fass??
I understand the concept of this, but I am new to this diesel thing and wondered a few things.
Does this system COMPLETELY replace the exsisting system (vp44 and lift pump) ?
And what makes it better than stock?
Who has these and what does anyone think?
Does this system COMPLETELY replace the exsisting system (vp44 and lift pump) ?
And what makes it better than stock?
Who has these and what does anyone think?
02-16-2004, 02:15 AM
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Originally posted by sgrooms
I understand the concept of this, but I am new to this diesel thing and wondered a few things.
Does this system COMPLETELY replace the exsisting system (vp44 and lift pump) ?
And what makes it better than stock?
Who has these and what does anyone think?
I understand the concept of this, but I am new to this diesel thing and wondered a few things.
Does this system COMPLETELY replace the exsisting system (vp44 and lift pump) ?
And what makes it better than stock?
Who has these and what does anyone think?
The pump is a gear pump instead of a rubber impeller. The motor is very large as compared to the lift pump. The brushes are replacable. The lift pump has a very small regulator ball, the FASS has one about 3/4 inch diameter. It has tremendous volume in comparison to the stock setup. It has only one pound drop from idle to WOT. Since I drilled out the fitting for the VP44 it drops the one pound whenever not at idle and holds that pressure steady regarless of the throttle setting. I am happy with the setup.
02-17-2004, 06:42 PM
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I replaced my plastic lines with Rubber from the tank to the lift pump when I replaced my fuel guage sensor. I think with 3/8 if my memory serves me right. How big do you go with this fass system? How much is it and where do you drill the fitting out at? and DO you notice any improvement in power from this? What do you use for a fuel filter? Mine will drop 4 lbs. when I work it and I never liked that. I've been told not to worry about it cause the filter holds plenty of fuel but my check book still makes me back off the throttle and bring the press. back up!! I do not want to starve my pump!
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The FASS uses 3/8 line, and as Haulin stated replaces the stock lift pump and fuel filter. The unit has two filters and integated fuel heater ports. With my setup at idle I have 17psi and with the Drag box on 5X5 can't pull it below 16 psi all the way out to the limiter banging out.
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I've got -8 braided line from the tank to the injection pump on my truck. If I was to buy the FASS (which I'm looking to do if it proves itself worthy and when the funds permit), could I still use the braided line or will I have to us the rubber line that comes with the FASS? I really don't feel like wasting all of that stainless line. Not only is it pretty, but it cost a bloody fortune as well.
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Originally posted by BigBlue
Not only is it pretty, but it cost a bloody fortune as well.
Not only is it pretty, but it cost a bloody fortune as well.
Sell it someone you know to recover costs!
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Big blue,I'f you wanted to keep the -8lines ,you could run in some butt connectors and an adapter if it you really wanted to . But then you have to source all them adapters, sounds like Palmetto will take 'em off your hands though.
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I got mine from Brad at Diesel Performance Products, the maker of the Fass. It cost me $614 shipped to my door. Got it quick and Brad is a pretty good hand to deal with. With the stock system I had 15psi at idle ,13-12 psi cruising at 65-70, WOT could pull down to 0psi if I hammered into her. With the Fass I've got 17psi idle and never goes below 16psi wot, as posted above.
02-19-2004, 04:36 PM
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sgrooms:
I am presently running a Holley Red Pump (97 GPH) in
conjunction with the stock lift pump on my 2002 Dodge
CTD. However, like the members with the FASS System
I am running -8 stainless steel line from the tank all the
way up to the VP-44. I also have the larger banjo bolts
in the system. I see 16-19 at idle and never get below
13 at WOT. You can look at my signature to see that
I am far from "stock", so I am definitely "taxing" the
system!! Prior to having this Holley Red Pump,
I was running the Product Engineering PE 4200 (270GPH)
pump with no lift pump. Both my son and I had trouble
with them, so I am now using the Holley.
Seems like the FASS System is a good set-up so far
from what the members have said. However, you can
buy the Holley Red Pump at any "Advance Auto" Store
for around $90.00. If you want more pressure than
what I have, you can also install a Holley Blue Pump
(140 GPH). They run around $120.00.
Thought this would give you some other options.
Whatever you decide, be sure to go to AT LEAST
the larger banjo bolts and I highly recommend
the larger -8 lines too!!
Good luck!
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John_P
I am presently running a Holley Red Pump (97 GPH) in
conjunction with the stock lift pump on my 2002 Dodge
CTD. However, like the members with the FASS System
I am running -8 stainless steel line from the tank all the
way up to the VP-44. I also have the larger banjo bolts
in the system. I see 16-19 at idle and never get below
13 at WOT. You can look at my signature to see that
I am far from "stock", so I am definitely "taxing" the
system!!
Prior to having this Holley Red Pump,I was running the Product Engineering PE 4200 (270GPH)
pump with no lift pump. Both my son and I had trouble
with them, so I am now using the Holley.
Seems like the FASS System is a good set-up so far
from what the members have said. However, you can
buy the Holley Red Pump at any "Advance Auto" Store
for around $90.00. If you want more pressure than
what I have, you can also install a Holley Blue Pump
(140 GPH). They run around $120.00.
Thought this would give you some other options.
Whatever you decide, be sure to go to AT LEAST
the larger banjo bolts and I highly recommend
the larger -8 lines too!!
Good luck!
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Originally posted by John_P
sgrooms:
I am presently running a Holley Red Pump (97 GPH) in
conjunction with the stock lift pump on my 2002 Dodge
CTD. However, like the members with the FASS System
I am running -8 stainless steel line from the tank all the
way up to the VP-44. I also have the larger banjo bolts
in the system. I see 16-19 at idle and never get below
13 at WOT. You can look at my signature to see that
I am far from "stock", so I am definitely "taxing" the
system!! Prior to having this Holley Red Pump,
I was running the Product Engineering PE 4200 (270GPH)
pump with no lift pump. Both my son and I had trouble
with them, so I am now using the Holley.
Seems like the FASS System is a good set-up so far
from what the members have said. However, you can
buy the Holley Red Pump at any "Advance Auto" Store
for around $90.00. If you want more pressure than
what I have, you can also install a Holley Blue Pump
(140 GPH). They run around $120.00.
Thought this would give you some other options.
Whatever you decide, be sure to go to AT LEAST
the larger banjo bolts and I highly recommend
the larger -8 lines too!!
Good luck!
-----------
John_P
sgrooms:
I am presently running a Holley Red Pump (97 GPH) in
conjunction with the stock lift pump on my 2002 Dodge
CTD. However, like the members with the FASS System
I am running -8 stainless steel line from the tank all the
way up to the VP-44. I also have the larger banjo bolts
in the system. I see 16-19 at idle and never get below
13 at WOT. You can look at my signature to see that
I am far from "stock", so I am definitely "taxing" the
system!!
Prior to having this Holley Red Pump,I was running the Product Engineering PE 4200 (270GPH)
pump with no lift pump. Both my son and I had trouble
with them, so I am now using the Holley.
Seems like the FASS System is a good set-up so far
from what the members have said. However, you can
buy the Holley Red Pump at any "Advance Auto" Store
for around $90.00. If you want more pressure than
what I have, you can also install a Holley Blue Pump
(140 GPH). They run around $120.00.
Thought this would give you some other options.
Whatever you decide, be sure to go to AT LEAST
the larger banjo bolts and I highly recommend
the larger -8 lines too!!
Good luck!
-----------
John_P
John,
I am interested in the setup that you mention since I don't have the $$ for the fass system and my LP is going. Can you give some additional details or point me in the direction of more info on this? What was your total cost on this. What fittings will I need? Is this something that I can do myself (This is the first vehicle that I have worked on.... EVER)?
03-04-2004, 08:25 AM
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Tengu:
Let me try to break the parts and cost down for you on this.
I bought the Holley Red Pump (97 GPH) at "Advanced Auto
Parts". The cost on it was about $90.00. I see where "Summit
Racing" also has them now for $95.88 and their part number
is: HLY-12-801-1. Their phone number is:1-800-230-3030.
I ran -8 line all the way from the fuel tank to VP-44, but you
can get by with just "tapping-in" to the stock fuel line using
a "compression fitting" from Summit Racing. I sourced the
fuel line for you and here is the cost and part numbers:
Two pieces of -8 Aeroquip Fuel Line (#AER-FCA0803);
cost is about $34.00. You will also need (2) -8 female
threaded ends to hook to the fuel pump and (2) -8
"compession fittings" to tap into your stock fuel line.
(Don't have the cost on that, but it's not that much.)
I bought the bigger "banjo bolts" and gaskets from
"Genos Garage" and here is that part number for their
"kit": BF-Kit 5/0, Cost: $31.50. (FYI,....there will be (5)
Banjo bolts and 10 Cummins Gaskets in the kit.)
Here is Genos number: 1-800-755-1715.
The bigger lines between the fuel filter and VP-44
can be bought "ready-to-go" from Rod @ "Wildcat
Diesel". I don't have a cost on them, but Rod is a
"bannner advertiser" here and easy to get a hold of.
"Tengu",.....we mounted the pump on a piece of 3"
"L" Bracket that I bought at a local metal shop. You can
use aluminum or steel. I mounted the Holley Pump to the
bracket, then mounted the bracket to the transfer case/
transmission bracket on the driver's side, INSIDE of the
frame rail!! When you wire the pump, tap into a fuse or
wire that is "key hot" and make sure you use a relay.
We used a Daimler/Chrysler Headlight Relay which is
very "beefy" and well built. The black (ground) wire
on the pump we "grounded" to the frame rail with a
small bolt. My son (John Jr.) who goes by (banshee)
on this site deserves all the credit for the design of
the bracket etc. It fits so good up in there you would
think it came with the truck stock!!
Hope this helps you some! I would say you can do the
whole job for about $200.00 or less. If you have anymore
questions I can send you my phone number to help you
out some more if needed. This should get you started
though!
Take care and good luck!
----------
John_P
Let me try to break the parts and cost down for you on this.
I bought the Holley Red Pump (97 GPH) at "Advanced Auto
Parts". The cost on it was about $90.00. I see where "Summit
Racing" also has them now for $95.88 and their part number
is: HLY-12-801-1. Their phone number is:1-800-230-3030.
I ran -8 line all the way from the fuel tank to VP-44, but you
can get by with just "tapping-in" to the stock fuel line using
a "compression fitting" from Summit Racing. I sourced the
fuel line for you and here is the cost and part numbers:
Two pieces of -8 Aeroquip Fuel Line (#AER-FCA0803);
cost is about $34.00. You will also need (2) -8 female
threaded ends to hook to the fuel pump and (2) -8
"compession fittings" to tap into your stock fuel line.
(Don't have the cost on that, but it's not that much.)
I bought the bigger "banjo bolts" and gaskets from
"Genos Garage" and here is that part number for their
"kit": BF-Kit 5/0, Cost: $31.50. (FYI,....there will be (5)
Banjo bolts and 10 Cummins Gaskets in the kit.)
Here is Genos number: 1-800-755-1715.
The bigger lines between the fuel filter and VP-44
can be bought "ready-to-go" from Rod @ "Wildcat
Diesel". I don't have a cost on them, but Rod is a
"bannner advertiser" here and easy to get a hold of.
"Tengu",.....we mounted the pump on a piece of 3"
"L" Bracket that I bought at a local metal shop. You can
use aluminum or steel. I mounted the Holley Pump to the
bracket, then mounted the bracket to the transfer case/
transmission bracket on the driver's side, INSIDE of the
frame rail!! When you wire the pump, tap into a fuse or
wire that is "key hot" and make sure you use a relay.
We used a Daimler/Chrysler Headlight Relay which is
very "beefy" and well built. The black (ground) wire
on the pump we "grounded" to the frame rail with a
small bolt. My son (John Jr.) who goes by (banshee)
on this site deserves all the credit for the design of
the bracket etc. It fits so good up in there you would
think it came with the truck stock!!
Hope this helps you some! I would say you can do the
whole job for about $200.00 or less. If you have anymore
questions I can send you my phone number to help you
out some more if needed. This should get you started
though!
Take care and good luck!
----------
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Originally posted by John_P
Tengu:
Let me try to break the parts and cost down for you on this.
I bought the Holley Red Pump (97 GPH) at "Advanced Auto
Parts". The cost on it was about $90.00. I see where "Summit
Racing" also has them now for $95.88 and their part number
is: HLY-12-801-1. Their phone number is:1-800-230-3030.
I ran -8 line all the way from the fuel tank to VP-44, but you
can get by with just "tapping-in" to the stock fuel line using
a "compression fitting" from Summit Racing. I sourced the
fuel line for you and here is the cost and part numbers:
Two pieces of -8 Aeroquip Fuel Line (#AER-FCA0803);
cost is about $34.00. You will also need (2) -8 female
threaded ends to hook to the fuel pump and (2) -8
"compession fittings" to tap into your stock fuel line.
(Don't have the cost on that, but it's not that much.)
I bought the bigger "banjo bolts" and gaskets from
"Genos Garage" and here is that part number for their
"kit": BF-Kit 5/0, Cost: $31.50. (FYI,....there will be (5)
Banjo bolts and 10 Cummins Gaskets in the kit.)
Here is Genos number: 1-800-755-1715.
The bigger lines between the fuel filter and VP-44
can be bought "ready-to-go" from Rod @ "Wildcat
Diesel". I don't have a cost on them, but Rod is a
"bannner advertiser" here and easy to get a hold of.
"Tengu",.....we mounted the pump on a piece of 3"
"L" Bracket that I bought at a local metal shop. You can
use aluminum or steel. I mounted the Holley Pump to the
bracket, then mounted the bracket to the transfer case/
transmission bracket on the driver's side, INSIDE of the
frame rail!! When you wire the pump, tap into a fuse or
wire that is "key hot" and make sure you use a relay.
We used a Daimler/Chrysler Headlight Relay which is
very "beefy" and well built. The black (ground) wire
on the pump we "grounded" to the frame rail with a
small bolt. My son (John Jr.) who goes by (banshee)
on this site deserves all the credit for the design of
the bracket etc. It fits so good up in there you would
think it came with the truck stock!!
Hope this helps you some! I would say you can do the
whole <A TITLE="Click for more information about job" STYLE="text-decoration: none; border-bottom: medium solid green;" HREF="http://search.targetwords.com/u.search?x=5977|1||||job|AA1VDw">job</A> for about $200.00 or less. If you have anymore
questions I can send you my phone number to help you
out some more if needed. This should get you started
though!
Take care and good luck!
----------
John_P
Tengu:
Let me try to break the parts and cost down for you on this.
I bought the Holley Red Pump (97 GPH) at "Advanced Auto
Parts". The cost on it was about $90.00. I see where "Summit
Racing" also has them now for $95.88 and their part number
is: HLY-12-801-1. Their phone number is:1-800-230-3030.
I ran -8 line all the way from the fuel tank to VP-44, but you
can get by with just "tapping-in" to the stock fuel line using
a "compression fitting" from Summit Racing. I sourced the
fuel line for you and here is the cost and part numbers:
Two pieces of -8 Aeroquip Fuel Line (#AER-FCA0803);
cost is about $34.00. You will also need (2) -8 female
threaded ends to hook to the fuel pump and (2) -8
"compession fittings" to tap into your stock fuel line.
(Don't have the cost on that, but it's not that much.)
I bought the bigger "banjo bolts" and gaskets from
"Genos Garage" and here is that part number for their
"kit": BF-Kit 5/0, Cost: $31.50. (FYI,....there will be (5)
Banjo bolts and 10 Cummins Gaskets in the kit.)
Here is Genos number: 1-800-755-1715.
The bigger lines between the fuel filter and VP-44
can be bought "ready-to-go" from Rod @ "Wildcat
Diesel". I don't have a cost on them, but Rod is a
"bannner advertiser" here and easy to get a hold of.
"Tengu",.....we mounted the pump on a piece of 3"
"L" Bracket that I bought at a local metal shop. You can
use aluminum or steel. I mounted the Holley Pump to the
bracket, then mounted the bracket to the transfer case/
transmission bracket on the driver's side, INSIDE of the
frame rail!! When you wire the pump, tap into a fuse or
wire that is "key hot" and make sure you use a relay.
We used a Daimler/Chrysler Headlight Relay which is
very "beefy" and well built. The black (ground) wire
on the pump we "grounded" to the frame rail with a
small bolt. My son (John Jr.) who goes by (banshee)
on this site deserves all the credit for the design of
the bracket etc. It fits so good up in there you would
think it came with the truck stock!!
Hope this helps you some! I would say you can do the
whole <A TITLE="Click for more information about job" STYLE="text-decoration: none; border-bottom: medium solid green;" HREF="http://search.targetwords.com/u.search?x=5977|1||||job|AA1VDw">job</A> for about $200.00 or less. If you have anymore
questions I can send you my phone number to help you
out some more if needed. This should get you started
though!
Take care and good luck!
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Originally posted by John_P
Tengu:
Let me try to break the parts and cost down for you on this.
I bought the Holley Red Pump (97 GPH) at "Advanced Auto
Parts". The cost on it was about $90.00. I see where "Summit
Racing" also has them now for $95.88 and their part number
is: HLY-12-801-1. Their phone number is:1-800-230-3030.
I ran -8 line all the way from the fuel tank to VP-44, but you
can get by with just "tapping-in" to the stock fuel line using
a "compression fitting" from Summit Racing. I sourced the
fuel line for you and here is the cost and part numbers:
Two pieces of -8 Aeroquip Fuel Line (#AER-FCA0803);
cost is about $34.00. You will also need (2) -8 female
threaded ends to hook to the fuel pump and (2) -8
"compession fittings" to tap into your stock fuel line.
(Don't have the cost on that, but it's not that much.)
I bought the bigger "banjo bolts" and gaskets from
"Genos Garage" and here is that part number for their
"kit": BF-Kit 5/0, Cost: $31.50. (FYI,....there will be (5)
Banjo bolts and 10 Cummins Gaskets in the kit.)
Here is Genos number: 1-800-755-1715.
The bigger lines between the fuel filter and VP-44
can be bought "ready-to-go" from Rod @ "Wildcat
Diesel". I don't have a cost on them, but Rod is a
"bannner advertiser" here and easy to get a hold of.
"Tengu",.....we mounted the pump on a piece of 3"
"L" Bracket that I bought at a local metal shop. You can
use aluminum or steel. I mounted the Holley Pump to the
bracket, then mounted the bracket to the transfer case/
transmission bracket on the driver's side, INSIDE of the
frame rail!! When you wire the pump, tap into a fuse or
wire that is "key hot" and make sure you use a relay.
We used a Daimler/Chrysler Headlight Relay which is
very "beefy" and well built. The black (ground) wire
on the pump we "grounded" to the frame rail with a
small bolt. My son (John Jr.) who goes by (banshee)
on this site deserves all the credit for the design of
the bracket etc. It fits so good up in there you would
think it came with the truck stock!!
Hope this helps you some! I would say you can do the
whole <A TITLE="Click for more information about job" STYLE="text-decoration: none; border-bottom: medium solid green;" HREF="http://search.targetwords.com/u.search?x=5977|1||||job|AA1VDw">job</A> for about $200.00 or less. If you have anymore
questions I can send you my phone number to help you
out some more if needed. This should get you started
though!
Take care and good luck!
----------
John_P
Tengu:
Let me try to break the parts and cost down for you on this.
I bought the Holley Red Pump (97 GPH) at "Advanced Auto
Parts". The cost on it was about $90.00. I see where "Summit
Racing" also has them now for $95.88 and their part number
is: HLY-12-801-1. Their phone number is:1-800-230-3030.
I ran -8 line all the way from the fuel tank to VP-44, but you
can get by with just "tapping-in" to the stock fuel line using
a "compression fitting" from Summit Racing. I sourced the
fuel line for you and here is the cost and part numbers:
Two pieces of -8 Aeroquip Fuel Line (#AER-FCA0803);
cost is about $34.00. You will also need (2) -8 female
threaded ends to hook to the fuel pump and (2) -8
"compession fittings" to tap into your stock fuel line.
(Don't have the cost on that, but it's not that much.)
I bought the bigger "banjo bolts" and gaskets from
"Genos Garage" and here is that part number for their
"kit": BF-Kit 5/0, Cost: $31.50. (FYI,....there will be (5)
Banjo bolts and 10 Cummins Gaskets in the kit.)
Here is Genos number: 1-800-755-1715.
The bigger lines between the fuel filter and VP-44
can be bought "ready-to-go" from Rod @ "Wildcat
Diesel". I don't have a cost on them, but Rod is a
"bannner advertiser" here and easy to get a hold of.
"Tengu",.....we mounted the pump on a piece of 3"
"L" Bracket that I bought at a local metal shop. You can
use aluminum or steel. I mounted the Holley Pump to the
bracket, then mounted the bracket to the transfer case/
transmission bracket on the driver's side, INSIDE of the
frame rail!! When you wire the pump, tap into a fuse or
wire that is "key hot" and make sure you use a relay.
We used a Daimler/Chrysler Headlight Relay which is
very "beefy" and well built. The black (ground) wire
on the pump we "grounded" to the frame rail with a
small bolt. My son (John Jr.) who goes by (banshee)
on this site deserves all the credit for the design of
the bracket etc. It fits so good up in there you would
think it came with the truck stock!!
Hope this helps you some! I would say you can do the
whole <A TITLE="Click for more information about job" STYLE="text-decoration: none; border-bottom: medium solid green;" HREF="http://search.targetwords.com/u.search?x=5977|1||||job|AA1VDw">job</A> for about $200.00 or less. If you have anymore
questions I can send you my phone number to help you
out some more if needed. This should get you started
though!
Take care and good luck!
----------
John_P