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07-12-2006, 06:17 PM
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Fass 150
Will a FASS 150 be ok to use instead of a FASS 95. This is all that is available??? My dad's truck is built the same as mine exept he has a crappy pusher pump that dropped 7 pounds today. He needs a FASS but they only have a FASS 150???? Will he be ok?
07-12-2006, 08:53 PM
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Drain the pickup tube? How is that possible? You might want to buy there pickup tube. I have the 95 gpm and have never seen below 15 psi the 150 is going to bypass a lot more fuel through the fass return line because your vp44 will only take so much. Why cant you get the 95 again?
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Originally Posted by AAmeeting
the 150 is going to bypass a lot more fuel through the fass return line because your vp44 will only take so much.
07-13-2006, 12:00 AM
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The dealer here in Edmonton only has the 150 due to the high demand and low supply. We need one now but I hope the 150 will be an ok choice?? If it isn't, I wonder how hard it is to change to the smaller pump down the road? Need some help!!!
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07-13-2006, 07:15 AM
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The 150 can have cavitation problems with the fuel pickup as fuel quantity decreases..... Normally we recommend that using a different fuel pickup in conjunction with a FASS 150. One concern with the cavitation is the VP as it doesn't like to have a ton of air drawn through it.
If you have to install the 150 because thats all you can get I would say go for it. But if you notice anything odd with the engine (missing, loss of power, etc). Just keep the tank good and full until you can replace the pickup.
Doug Smith
If you have to install the 150 because thats all you can get I would say go for it. But if you notice anything odd with the engine (missing, loss of power, etc). Just keep the tank good and full until you can replace the pickup.
Doug Smith
07-13-2006, 08:21 AM
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My 150 bypasses so much fuel that you cant put diesel into the tank with the engine running it will shoot out the top.
I have had both. Upgraded to the 150 gph to get the newer pump/brushes with the pressure relief valve. Both work equally well!
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07-13-2006, 08:54 AM
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OK....i see some confusion here......
The FASS 150 Series...(This is a pic with the old motor but its all pretty much the same...)
The FASS 95 Series
Both the 95 series and the 150 series are available in the 95, 150, 200 GPH flow rates. The 95 series is 20-25% smaller than the 150 series. Also the filters are proprietary on the 95 series...so you just cant go to the parts store and pick up a filter. The 150 Series you can.
AS for the GPH rating, i have been running a 150 GPH pump for 3 years now with no issues at all. Some trucks will have issue. Most will not. But for the ones that do have issue, we have a draw tube kit, or you can modify you stock pick up. Its more or less the screen at the bottom gets clogged up with junk and wont flow. The pump will make tons of noise if you start to cavitate. We have a test in our trouble shooting manual that is a good check for this.
The 95 GPH kit are plenty for ANY VP-44 truck IMHO. The 150 GPH kits will work fine but some trucks may have tank restriction issues. The VP is only going to take as much fuel as it needs....the rest of the fuel flow is returned back to the tank.....which takes the removed air with it.
Our older set up put the return manifold into the tank vent tube for the filler neck. This meant you could not fill up while your truck was running. We have since came up with a new manifold that installs in the filler neck its self. This allows you to fill up the truck while running.
The FASS 150 Series...(This is a pic with the old motor but its all pretty much the same...)
The FASS 95 Series
Both the 95 series and the 150 series are available in the 95, 150, 200 GPH flow rates. The 95 series is 20-25% smaller than the 150 series. Also the filters are proprietary on the 95 series...so you just cant go to the parts store and pick up a filter. The 150 Series you can.
AS for the GPH rating, i have been running a 150 GPH pump for 3 years now with no issues at all. Some trucks will have issue. Most will not. But for the ones that do have issue, we have a draw tube kit, or you can modify you stock pick up. Its more or less the screen at the bottom gets clogged up with junk and wont flow. The pump will make tons of noise if you start to cavitate. We have a test in our trouble shooting manual that is a good check for this.
The 95 GPH kit are plenty for ANY VP-44 truck IMHO. The 150 GPH kits will work fine but some trucks may have tank restriction issues. The VP is only going to take as much fuel as it needs....the rest of the fuel flow is returned back to the tank.....which takes the removed air with it.
Our older set up put the return manifold into the tank vent tube for the filler neck. This meant you could not fill up while your truck was running. We have since came up with a new manifold that installs in the filler neck its self. This allows you to fill up the truck while running.
07-13-2006, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Diesel_Dan
OK....i see some confusion here......
The FASS 150 Series...(This is a pic with the old motor but its all pretty much the same...)
The FASS 95 Series
Both the 95 series and the 150 series are available in the 95, 150, 200 GPH flow rates. The 95 series is 20-25% smaller than the 150 series. Also the filters are proprietary on the 95 series...so you just cant go to the parts store and pick up a filter. The 150 Series you can.
AS for the GPH rating, i have been running a 150 GPH pump for 3 years now with no issues at all. Some trucks will have issue. Most will not. But for the ones that do have issue, we have a draw tube kit, or you can modify you stock pick up. Its more or less the screen at the bottom gets clogged up with junk and wont flow. The pump will make tons of noise if you start to cavitate. We have a test in our trouble shooting manual that is a good check for this.
The 95 GPH kit are plenty for ANY VP-44 truck IMHO. The 150 GPH kits will work fine but some trucks may have tank restriction issues. The VP is only going to take as much fuel as it needs....the rest of the fuel flow is returned back to the tank.....which takes the removed air with it.
Our older set up put the return manifold into the tank vent tube for the filler neck. This meant you could not fill up while your truck was running. We have since came up with a new manifold that installs in the filler neck its self. This allows you to fill up the truck while running.
The FASS 150 Series...(This is a pic with the old motor but its all pretty much the same...)
The FASS 95 Series
Both the 95 series and the 150 series are available in the 95, 150, 200 GPH flow rates. The 95 series is 20-25% smaller than the 150 series. Also the filters are proprietary on the 95 series...so you just cant go to the parts store and pick up a filter. The 150 Series you can.
AS for the GPH rating, i have been running a 150 GPH pump for 3 years now with no issues at all. Some trucks will have issue. Most will not. But for the ones that do have issue, we have a draw tube kit, or you can modify you stock pick up. Its more or less the screen at the bottom gets clogged up with junk and wont flow. The pump will make tons of noise if you start to cavitate. We have a test in our trouble shooting manual that is a good check for this.
The 95 GPH kit are plenty for ANY VP-44 truck IMHO. The 150 GPH kits will work fine but some trucks may have tank restriction issues. The VP is only going to take as much fuel as it needs....the rest of the fuel flow is returned back to the tank.....which takes the removed air with it.
Our older set up put the return manifold into the tank vent tube for the filler neck. This meant you could not fill up while your truck was running. We have since came up with a new manifold that installs in the filler neck its self. This allows you to fill up the truck while running.
07-13-2006, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by AAmeeting
Why does my 95 look like the 150 then? Is the old 95 as big as the 150?
You probaly got the FASS 150/95-XXXX kit........this means FASS 150 SEIRES at 95 Gallons per Hour for what ever truck you have.
The 95 Series are new as of April 1st.
Again....you can have 95, 150 and 200 GPH flow levels on both the 95 SERIES and the 150 SERIES.
07-13-2006, 01:13 PM
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FASS 150 SERIES:
This system has been out since April 2003. The system only came out with one flow option at first: 150 GPH. Then in Mid 2004, the 95 GPH units came out as an option. Late 2005, we started using a new motor that was 100% sealed with hard wire brushes. This is the system people currently think of when you say FASS. You can get filters at any place that sells Fleetguard, WIX, Baldwin, NAPA........etc...
FASS 95 SERIES:
This is the newest addition to our line of pumps. This is going to be the baby brother to the 150 SERIES. The system is about 20-25% smaller over all and works well if space/weight is at a prem. Has all the same flow numbers and pressure as the 150 SERIES due the pump and motor are exactly the same. The filters are custom made for this pump. SO you need to talk to your dealer to get filters......requires more planning ahead for filter changes. Other than that, this system is identical.
This system has been out since April 2003. The system only came out with one flow option at first: 150 GPH. Then in Mid 2004, the 95 GPH units came out as an option. Late 2005, we started using a new motor that was 100% sealed with hard wire brushes. This is the system people currently think of when you say FASS. You can get filters at any place that sells Fleetguard, WIX, Baldwin, NAPA........etc...
FASS 95 SERIES:
This is the newest addition to our line of pumps. This is going to be the baby brother to the 150 SERIES. The system is about 20-25% smaller over all and works well if space/weight is at a prem. Has all the same flow numbers and pressure as the 150 SERIES due the pump and motor are exactly the same. The filters are custom made for this pump. SO you need to talk to your dealer to get filters......requires more planning ahead for filter changes. Other than that, this system is identical.
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I talked to maybe the Owner of the FASS company at the DHRA at IRP. He said that if I want to upgrade my motor to brushless it would cost 175.00 all said and done. I looked at him and laughed, I told him that it was still under warranty for another 3 years. He said if I had a problem and they could not fix it I would get the new motor for free. So why pay for the new motor I asked, he had no answer.... He told me that his ( one like mine) had no problems for two whole years.. I hope mine lasts longer than that.