Which "diesel shop turbos" have the biggest (internal) wastegates?
12-06-2007, 11:37 PM
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Which "diesel shop turbos" have the biggest (internal) wastegates?
Does anyone know which I.I. or HTT turbos have the largest internal wastegate area? Do you have to get a certain turbine option to get the large gates?
I'm under the impression that the SS HTT housings have bigger gates.
JH
I'm under the impression that the SS HTT housings have bigger gates.
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12-07-2007, 04:47 PM
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If you plan on going crazy with the gas, none of the internal wastegates will flow enough to give you longevity. You will need an external gate.
How many high HP gas applications have you seen with internal gates?
How many high HP gas applications have you seen with internal gates?
12-07-2007, 04:53 PM
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Not trying to be argumentative here, but what is the difference between a 40mm internal gate and a 38mm external gate?
I can understand if that gas has to enter the turbbine section it may become slightly compressed by drive pressure, but that will also allow it to move easier through a smaller port.
Again, nit trying to call anyone out, I just want to understamd the difference.
Dave
I can understand if that gas has to enter the turbbine section it may become slightly compressed by drive pressure, but that will also allow it to move easier through a smaller port.
Again, nit trying to call anyone out, I just want to understamd the difference.
Dave
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I know externals are the way to go but I think those HTT ss housings could really flow some drive pressure while sprayin with their extremely large wastegate ports, and also the overall thickness of the stainless housing was much thicker than a cast. Just for durability sake of not cracking so easily.
12-07-2007, 06:15 PM
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Personally, I now hate internal gates after having my external setup the way I do. Turn a dial to the pressure I want (minus spring pressure, of course) and there I go. No checking pressures, the numbers are right on the dial. AND, I could go as low as 20psi, and as high as I dared
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12-07-2007, 07:16 PM
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There's more to it than just how large the gate is in diameter. How FAR it will open matters as well. It's all about the "window" size-- which is a combination of area and opening. Just like an engine valve will breathe better if it's larger at the same lift, or lifted higher at the same size (at least until the window area equals port area, but I digress).
IN favor of an external gate is the precision of boost control, total gate flow (generally) and reduced turbulence (not that important).
In favor of an internal gate you have reduced heat loss (important when driving a primary) and simplicity (huge advantage).
Though a SS62 with the 13ss housing is laggier than I'd like, the simplicity of using it in a twins application and the large internal gate force me to consider it.
If I could get something like the SS62 but in the smaller HTBG size with the 65mm turbine, that would be almost ideal. I'd have the faster spoolup of a "BD super B" type S300 (or is it S257? anyway..) and the large WG and SS housing that I'd want.
Too bad HTT doesn't seem to think there's a market for SS housings for the smaller turbos.
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IN favor of an external gate is the precision of boost control, total gate flow (generally) and reduced turbulence (not that important).
In favor of an internal gate you have reduced heat loss (important when driving a primary) and simplicity (huge advantage).
Though a SS62 with the 13ss housing is laggier than I'd like, the simplicity of using it in a twins application and the large internal gate force me to consider it.
If I could get something like the SS62 but in the smaller HTBG size with the 65mm turbine, that would be almost ideal. I'd have the faster spoolup of a "BD super B" type S300 (or is it S257? anyway..) and the large WG and SS housing that I'd want.
Too bad HTT doesn't seem to think there's a market for SS housings for the smaller turbos.
Justin
12-07-2007, 07:24 PM
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Not trying to be argumentative here, but what is the difference between a 40mm internal gate and a 38mm external gate?
I can understand if that gas has to enter the turbbine section it may become slightly compressed by drive pressure, but that will also allow it to move easier through a smaller port.
Again, nit trying to call anyone out, I just want to understamd the difference.
Dave
I can understand if that gas has to enter the turbbine section it may become slightly compressed by drive pressure, but that will also allow it to move easier through a smaller port.
Again, nit trying to call anyone out, I just want to understamd the difference.
Dave
Of course, we model this is being steady state, but the reality is that you have pressure pulses that might be as high as 70-80psi at the peak, and as low as 20psi in the "trough" when the gauge shows 50psi.
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12-07-2007, 08:03 PM
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If I could get something like the SS62 but in the smaller HTBG size with the 65mm turbine, that would be almost ideal. I'd have the faster spoolup of a "BD super B" type S300 (or is it S257? anyway..) and the large WG and SS housing that I'd want.
Too bad HTT doesn't seem to think there's a market for SS housings for the smaller turbos.
Justin
Too bad HTT doesn't seem to think there's a market for SS housings for the smaller turbos.
Justin
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If I could get something like the SS62 but in the smaller HTBG size with the 65mm turbine, that would be almost ideal. I'd have the faster spoolup of a "BD super B" type S300 (or is it S257? anyway..) and the large WG and SS housing that I'd want.
Too bad HTT doesn't seem to think there's a market for SS housings for the smaller turbos.
Justin
Too bad HTT doesn't seem to think there's a market for SS housings for the smaller turbos.
Justin
12-09-2007, 01:44 PM
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My gut tells me that an internal gate could possible transfer the pressure pulses "more" intact than an external gate could. This is just based upon the geometry of the tubing and the valve itself. The typical internal is a flapper vice the external which is a plug and seat. Then again with the volume of the hot pipe, it might not matter in the least. Other than that I agree with Hohn.
Anyone actually tested this?
Jim
Anyone actually tested this?
Jim
12-10-2007, 02:00 AM
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I think I may Jim.
I have a buddy that could use some work on his truck and maybe we'll mock it up both ways and then lock 'em out one at a time.
As my truck could use a few changes, this would be a good chance to measure with gauges any net effects.
Dave
I have a buddy that could use some work on his truck and maybe we'll mock it up both ways and then lock 'em out one at a time.
As my truck could use a few changes, this would be a good chance to measure with gauges any net effects.
Dave