A buddy of mine is running an 1999 24V with F1 100hp injectors, twins with62/64/13 & bunch more. He's currently running the factory smarty tune. Are there beta programs or TNT programs for the 24V & what stacks best Quad or TST?

 

I've done research between stacking my Smarty with a Quad / Edge / TST.

Ordering my TST Power Max 3 Comp this week! Quad / Edge might have a tad more power, but I have heard of much fewer problems and headaches with the TST.

 

I guess what I'm asking is should he ditch the Smarty and get an Adrenaline to stack with an edge, etc. I'm looking for what most feel is the best combo period. If the Smarty is up there with less problems, then that's a good route as well. Let me know as he is running a factory Smarty program with twins so he is a little dissapointed right now.

 

I have heard the Smarty/TST is one of the better stacks. I have not done this stack, but that is my plans eventually. Just make sure when you are stacking you only have one doing timing. TST is Fuel only and the Smarty/Edge/Quad can do both timing and fuel I believe.


swordfish

 

What about the adrenaline stack and what program are y'all running on the 24v trucks? Currently running the factory program and assume there are better programs to download than what's shown on mads website. Anybody have a better Smarty program they can send me, or is the Revo update the latest and greatest?

 

all smiles and trouble free for 4 years with my combo tst/smarty. so is his smarty newer. or a old smarty. he should have the revo program on it. this is the one with better tuning capabilities with Torque mang, timing, and fuel duration. this is ideal for bigger injectors. I do hear of more problems on the edge or quadzilla on here than I do TST and smarty. but I can say more than that cause I have only run my setup for 4 years cause its worked and never failed. what is your "Friend" wanting from his truck. also how is his injection pump. how old is it. they can slowly be a power robber over time and not really know it..

 

I'd have to ask him about his injection pump, as I'm not sure how many miles are on his or if he has gauges installed on it to monitor. What he's wanting is more power, as he expected more when he received his truck back after installing twins, cam, injectors, valves, and head studs. I'm assuming since he just bought the Smarty that it has the Revo installed, just wasnt sure if there was something that would net him more HP than that. I've also seen some talk on here in the 24v forums of Adrenaline stacks so I'm still waiting for someone to chime in about that.

UPDATE: His entire 99' truck has 34k miles, which is super low. Not sure how he found one with that low of miles but he did.

 

I would assume that if he has put that much money in it he would have a aftermarket fuel pump to support the fuel needs. find out what settings he is running currently with the smarty. with a added box, he would be looking to add 90-120 ext HP if his fuel system, and vp were up to par, the big thing about the smarty is it moves the Tq curve to hit around 200 rpms sooner.. I know when I did the cam the higher level of timing help with the spooling and cooling on egt's. my set up is always this unless I'm towing or wanting MPG.
TST level 9 smarty TQ6 timing 3 duration 3.

 

He put an air dog 100 on it, buare you talking fuel pump or injection pump? He has the stock injection pump now. Does he "need" an aftermarket injection pump and if so who makes the best one??

 

no I was asking early in the post about his injection pump. vp-44 how old it was etc. but good to see he has a airdog on it. this will help with the vp but also when some one is throwing electronic boxes or a smarty injectors etc. the airdog will support the demand. I know when I kept the oem lift pump on with just 90hp nozzles and a tst that was it. I did have 11psi fuel pressure it would easily go down under 5psi at wot or on big hills. but one other thing I noticed from a oem pump compared to my FASS/150 is the recovery time of psi. currently I idle at 19-20psi wot 16psi but it quickly recovers back to 19psi driving. when the old oem pump would take 5-6 seconds to recover back to the 12 psi. I wouldn't waist the money on a hot-rod injection pump. on his truck I would say 100hp injectors are on the shy side with his twins. mach 4's or 5's his truck could handle. also does he have studs or ringed heads.

 

i second the Smarty/TST stack. i am also running it on my truck but have a TS-MVP for timing with the Smarty on fuel-only settings.

i really think it runs clean (unless i don't want it to) with this stack. the TST fuels based on boost pressure, whereas i think the others are based off the APPS (afaik).

i really like how the TST not only increases power per level, but it also brings the fuel on sooner with each increase . . . gotts go . . . will check back later . . .

 

He does have head studs, but no ringed heads. He just ordered the TST and is awaiting install, but we will see how that performs before replacing his brand new 100hp injectors. He should'ev researched better before buying all of this.

So, if he were to go with Mach 4 or 5's, would he then need a hot rod injection pump, or would the Vp likely handle the increase in injector size?

 

Don't get a hot rod pump. Save money and get yourself a regular SO VP44 (if he plans to stay under 650hp, give or take). That is roughly the most the average person, with a very well running tuned VP will see. A SO Pump can handle 250's with a box, or so I've read.

I too run a Smarty and TST COMP, but will soon have the TS MVP added on top. Once I have it installed (hopefully this week) I will be fiddling with the 3 quite a bit to see what runs best.

 

Just installed my comp pm3 today

 

let me know how you make out - we will then be running the same for programmers/boxes . . .