SPD03 got the Exhaust for his excursion from Banks. Very nice product. Very neat finish and excellent quality. I almost bought the stinger pack myself. But decided that I could better spend my money. I have nothing against their products. But bang for buck, I think there are better ways to go.

 

JetPilot,<br>Please be clear on what I am saying. The facts about warranty are clear and are defined in print in your Owners Manual, and are in essence a legal contract between the vehicle owner and the vehicle manufacturer. The treatment of the warranty varies greatly from dealer to dealer, and unfortunately there are SOME dealers (not all) who will tell a customer that their warranty is void simply because they have aftermarket product on their vehicle. What better way to handle any issues involving warranty than to be informed about your rights? I never think that it is advisable to accept what someone tells me at face value, especially when money is on the line. Dealers typically don’t like to do warranty work because they don’t make as much money doing it as customer pay work. Believe me, I am not saying that a person who puts Banks products on their vehicle is guaranteed to never have a warranty hassle, but the chances of having a problem are greatly reduced when a consumer is informed and knows his rights.<br><br>What about when a problem does arise? We have a Technical Service Hotline that is available to assist customers anytime that they do experience warranty related problems. Most often, issues can be resolved by our staff members communicating with the service personnel at the dealer. I am personally willing to assist any person that is having difficulty with Chrysler resolving a warranty issue due to the use of a Banks product and encourage anyone that is in such a position to contact me or our Technical Service group at (888) 839-2700. My personal e-mail address is ptreydte@bankspower.com. <br><br>Now let’s talk about the horsepower comments that you made. First of all, I should point out that all of our test data that we print is taken from a sustained-load chassis dyno (not an acceleration dyno) and is gathered in direct gear with the torque converter locked, heat-soaked, under full load at sustained RPMs, with proper road speed airflow introduced to the front of the vehicle. This gives the most accurate picture of what the horsepower improvements are under real world working conditions. Based on all this, it is very difficult to compare the dyno results that we use in our advertising to the types of dyno numbers that you are quoting here. There are just too many variables that may be affecting the results. I have no doubt that there are trucks out there that will make more power than Banks-equipped trucks, but you have left out one valuable piece of information: EGT. Under sustained load conditions, all the horsepower in the world does me no good if I melt down my engine. I know of many Banks customers that get power/performance increases that are as good as or better than our advertising data.<br><br>Peter Treydte<br>Banks Power <br>

 

We dyno'd a Banks equipped truck on a load dyno..Super Flow and it fell far short of the claimed ratings from your company. We dyno'd it a few times and never got close to the power it claimed, even if we calculated it as fly wheel power, it was still far less. We knocked off 15%, then 20% then 25% for parasitics in the drivetrain and still short by a lot...more then half. Needless to say the owner never got a favorable reply from whoever he called. He got something like this...All trucks are different and all dynos are different and all operators of the dyno and/or truck are different and that leaves a large margin for error if all of this is taken into consideration...so he offered to head down to test in at your shop and was told that someone would call him back to discuss. No call.<br><br>I read the posts here and only after reading your second one about a loading dyno did I choose to share this. Why then did all the other trucks with different power levels with different products dyno close to what their numbers where on the Mustang dyno a few months before? Why then did my truck dyno at nearly identical numbers on a Dynojet and a Super Flow.<br><br>Like folks have said here, some of your products are superior, the claims and the warranty stuff is stretching it alot. I always say...&quot;You wanna play, be prepared to pay&quot; No matter what.<br><br>I do like what you say about real world. I am an advocate of real world seat of the pants response over the dyno in a lot of situations. So we did that too and the Banks truck fell short again compared to other trucks with similar rated power products and most had cooler EGT's.<br><br>My air induction system really shines as you add power and go down the road in a 2nd gen truck. I even emailed your company a few times since some of my customers had or have Banks kits to see if you would be interested in doing a kit with it or badging my system with your kits as it works better then anything out there. No reply to all four emails...nothing. Not even a 'no thank you.' I'm not saying my air system does better then anyone elses just because its mine...I am saying what people told me in emails and phone calls. Heck theres even a testimonial on the site from a guy with a Banks kit suggesting Banks add my system for the EGT problem he had prior to my air system.<br><br>I've seen your exhaust systems...awesome product. I have not personally tested your exhaust brake but have been told by a few folks its good too. Its the other stuff that gets me concerned. Hopefully this is taken as constructive, not destructive...I posted here cuz I never did get a reply from email. After reading and hearing others with the same issue...I posted this.

 

I even emailed your company a few times since some of my customers had or have Banks kits to see if you would be interested in doing a kit with it or badging my system with your kits as it works better then anything out there. <br><br>I am sorry your feelings got hurt, but it is time to let it go

 

[quote author=Farmout link=board=7;threadid=15191;start=15#143623 date=1054248057]<br> I even emailed your company a few times since some of my customers had or have Banks kits to see if you would be interested in doing a kit with it or badging my system with your kits as it works better then anything out there. <br><br>I am sorry your feelings got hurt, but it is time to let it go <br>[/quote]<br><br> :'(<br><br>I just had to get it off my chest.<br><br>All better now. ;D

 

LIL RED: I have an hx-35 for you? name your price man, it'll be in the mail...Or PM me first.<br><br><br>There was a Banks powered 2001 truck with the full power kit on it last night at Sears Point Raceway...pulled a 17.40 with the level 5 big hoss chip and intake..etc...pretty sad...since i ran a 14.20 with NO banks power on my truck

 

Scotty,<br>I would like to know more about the truck that you were dealing with. It sounds to me like something was amiss. I am not thrilled with the response that the owner received when he talked to someone here, because in my opinion, it would be prudent to ask a lot of questions about the performance details, such as how much boost, how much EGT, the specifics of the dyno test, etc. As a side note, we are constantly working to improve our Customer Service (including Technical) and as the Manager of that department, I like to receive feedback that would help me to make further improvements. If the owner of that truck is still having trouble, please have him get in touch with me and I will see what I can do.<br><br>I addressed the issue about types of dynos because it is common and easy to talk about dyno numbers, but few people really understand the functions of dynos, and how they represent or misrepresent what really happens in the real world. Having done dyno and road testing myself, I know what the variables are and what effect they can have on dyno results. Anyone should be able to understand that an intercooled turbo-diesel engine needs to have a full load, with the engine properly heat soaked and with air flowing across the intercooler at an acceptable velocity to get accurate data from any dyno. Your intake is another good example of variables that can affect power numbers. Although I have no personal experience with it, everything I have ever heard about your intake system is positive, and it very well may be the best item of its type available. But I assume that part of it’s function relies on a ram air effect at road speed. Unless you simulate this introduction of airflow while dyno testing, you probably won’t get results that reflect its true potential.<br><br>I don’t know why you did not receive response to your e-mails, but this is a large company, and depending what address the e-mail was sent to, it may not have been recognized for what it was. If you want to communicate with me directly, I would be willing to put you in touch with the proper person. We are always testing and looking for the best way to do things. I do think that you of all people have grasped the importance of airflow to the engine. I do take your comments as constructive and appreciate the opportunity to dialog on these subjects in order to clear up misinformation.<br><br>Peter Treydte<br>Banks Power<br>

 

Peter,<br>Can you explain why your power pack system shows 19hp gain with just the twin ram intake over your stinger system that is the same without the intake? <br>By the way Dyno your trucks the same way everyone else does without positive forced air pressure so customers can compare products on level ground. So what if the dyno's are different around the country. I have dyno'd on different ones in canada and the usa and when the right correction facture is used the results have came out within 5hp of each other. Apple to apples is the name of the game.

 

I'll PM the individual as he is on this board from time to time.<br>He can contact you if he chooses to. However, its been since December of 2001 now and I believe he has altered what he uses for performance now.<br><br>I never claim any performance gains with my system, I do claim egt reduction, the more power, the more effective.<br>When folks seek to test systems like mine on the dyno, I do not expect anything from it. Real world down the road is where it shines.<br><br>I've got your number here.<br><br>I emailed sales@bankspower.com when I tried contacting Banks.<br><br>Scotty<br>

 

Thanks for all the info everybody. Sorry bout gettin all the confrontations fired up. Hey Cummnzpowr I sent you a message.

 

Peter I was in no way &quot;slamming&quot; banks or their products.....I was just simply making the rumor I was told into a joke seeing as how I knew &quot;no such monster exsist's&quot; <br><br>If you go back and re-read my post you'll see the comment was from a guy who hasn't done as much homework on CTD's as myself. ;D

 

Peter, no appoliges from me like the others. The following are quotes from some of your replies:

&quot;So the answer to your question depends on the result that you are trying to achieve. If you are looking for more power, the Twin-Ram alone will not deliver the goods, you must have some fuel delivery enhancement along with the Twin-Ram to see the benefit. If you are looking to lower your EGT’s or increase engine life, the Twin-Ram will definitely help, and it certainly dresses up the engine. One nice side benefit of the Twin-Ram is the improved airflow distribution to the six cylinders. Since you are needing to make some changes anyway, this might be a good time to upgrade (the necessary gaskets are included with the Twin-Ram).&quot;

&quot;HeberRam,You are correct in noting that there are other points of restriction, but any improvement is beneficial. Airflow restriction is a cumulative effect, not an issue of an isolated choke point. It is true however, that other restriction points can be improved upon. The only way currently available to improve the airflow distribution to the inline six cylinder configuration is with a Twin-Ram. The injectors that you are suggesting are a way to put more fuel in the engine, certainly a way to make more power along with more EGT. You also comment on our stance regarding warranty. First of all, I would be surprised if the 12-valve truck in question was still under factory warranty, but let me address your concern anyway. If you read your Owners Manual, you will find that there is no provision for Dodge to void a warranty simply based on the presence of an aftermarket product. They do have the right to deny warranty coverage if an aftermarket product CAUSES a failure (that makes logical sense) which is why it is important to do upgrades that do not cause damage. Our products are engineered to work on your Cummins engine without causing damage, and in fact, the improvements in airflow tend to extend the life of your engine. I challenge anyone to offer a reason that a Twin-Ram would cause any warranty concern.&quot;

First of all, you admitted that the twin Ram system alone, will not deliver the goods. The point Nascar Mark was making, was even with the &quot;goods&quot; the system provided &quot;no&quot; gain. Your comment about the &quot;twin Air system will lower EGT'S and extend engine life is again &quot;marketing hype&quot; with no basis for fact..If so, please provide data?? ( the point I'm making is, it may look pretty, but don't try to push it off as a performance enhancer).

Second, if Banks would get off the, again &quot;marketing Hype&quot; about warranty, I would say 95% of your companies bad breath would go away, including me. You like to talk about real world issues, and challege my so called lack of knowledge by directing me to my owners manual regarding warranty?? I challenge you to go to your nearst Dodge dealership, walk up to the parts or service department and ask to (if not posted) Chryslers written directive, regarding service work or warranty on a Dodge Diesel truck...( I've got a copy), however, I'm not going to post it &quot;yet&quot;, as I want you to get one and post it on this site within, lets say 72 hrs.

Thirdly, I will be willing to drive my truck, to any of &quot;Banks&quot; sites you choose, Dyno my truck on whatever dyno you choose, measure my performance with my current set-up, install your twin Air system and compare results!! If I lose, I will purchase the Air System on site, drive home and publicly appologise to you and Gale Banks and post it in 2&quot; letters on all Diesel Inter-net web sites. If I win, you reimburse me for reasonable, out of pocket traveling expenses, and do like wise? How's that for a real world, seat of the pants challenge? This, is &quot;NOT&quot; marketing hype from me.

Steve

 

WOW Steve-O ;D....that is a challenge if i ever heard one. You know they won't bite...i mean c'mon man, the mere sound of your vicious idle would have Banks engineers running for their lives...let's not even show them the smoke...lol

 

And if you don't believe Steve will buy it if he loses, he's bought just about everything else, so why not. <br><br>Banks is probably the only aftermarket manufacturer that doesn't have HeberRam's credit card on file. <br><br>Gotta love that &quot;Top Fuel Dragster&quot; idle. 8)<br><br><br>phox

 

This type of thread does not help anyone. If the parties involved want to continue this discussion, then please take it to email or PM.