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Old 09-22-2006, 07:33 AM
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Here's the Problem...as of now, the only #2 trucks to get close to 1000RWHP are 12v's...there is NO WAY an Super B/S400 combo will cool 1000HP on a 12v. I'll bet it would choke before you made 800hp!

Now, if the 24v's find some more fuel....which I'm sure they will, these chargers could be a sweet setup. 1000hp, maybe...I don't know!

But what do I know...I've only tried 2 different sets of twins, and about 5 singles That's not anywhere near what most guys that design/build turbos and twinsets go through!

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Old 09-22-2006, 08:44 AM
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Well said, Chris!

I don't know that BD claimed 1,000 hp on just #2?? Just that it would cool that much HP... No?

I do believe, after playing with 2 different Holsetts and 3 different Borg Warners (S-300) set up, that Holsett has fallen behind in the turbo race (R+D wise). Or maybe it's what the after market developers have done with them that makes the difference. I just know that I'm pretty much through, for now anyway, with running Holsett turbos.

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Old 09-22-2006, 11:39 AM
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We arent building a truck that will do 1000hp here. The turbos when you spec out what kind of air you need to make a 1000hp is what we are going to supply.

It will make reaching 1000 Hp possible with the right engine and fueling modifications.

I am pretty confident that between our engineer with over 40years of turbo experience and Borgwarner that the figures they have come up with are going to be right. We are still working on the kit so September release was a little optomistic. Look for it early next year.
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Originally Posted by Mike Holmen
OK Pat, how come you guys at BD talked me out of buying your twins? I was one of the first guys at your door. You told me that I could only run 550rwhp and if I wanted more than I need NOS. My combo ran 677rwhp at Piers dyno, no drugs running stuff you guys said that would never work. You top BD HP truck still ran Enterprises HX-40/BHT3B combo. Yes they will work and work well on lower HP but they are too hot your the bigger HP trucks. How much drugs was needed to run 800rwhp with your twins? I doubt that it was just running #2, running your twins.

When you did your truck a couple of years ago we hadnt run them on trucks much more than 550hp. Further testing has shown that they will support much more power than we had anticipated. At 50psi of boost it will support 550hp. We have had them to 70psi supporting over 610hp.

Now we did run EEP twins. That was almost 5 years ago. That was before we had our own program. With that truck we ran 640hp on #2 742 with NOS. At the time that was the best technology available. But as things go technology will evolve and products can be improved. Now this is no way a shot at EEP. They do some pretty impressive stuff.

Yes the Bully Dog truck did run alot of NOS. I have heard it did just over 700 without the spray.
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Originally Posted by kelownadiesel
Yep they ran a huge shot of nitrous on that truck.I dont think they would cool 700 hp.Bd claims a new set will cool 1000 hp at the wheels.Bold statement considering only one truck in the world makes 1000 at the wheels using boost to cool only.And uses a A5000 as a SECONDARY and a pro52 as a primary.They claim a s400 as a primary in the new set with the same 300 on top,I dont know if that would cool 1000 using the reliable amounts of boost they use already.Most trucks running over 800 use like 90 plus with reasonable drive pressure.I'll believe it when I see it.But for towing its probably the best setup and you cant argue with that,but for high hp nope

It looks like you have sort of mixed up two kits into what you are describing here. The Current set with the modified S300s is the one that has run to 700hp. The abiltiy to work on a truck to 1000hp would be the new set we are developing running a modified 300/ S400 and our intercooler. We would be runnig boost in the 75+psi range.
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I got a set of BD's sittin on my bench right now cant wait to get em in.Will report back when all is said and done.
Old 09-22-2006, 05:00 PM
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I bet that mine would come close the 1k mark using NOS and methane. I think that Jetpilot's has run a 922rwhp, with NOS. I wouldn't give up on the VP yet. A 1k truck running #2, would be to much for the street use.
Old 09-23-2006, 06:56 AM
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Hey Mike,

What set up do you plan on going with regarding twin turbos?
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So the 300 on top will differ from the current 300 that is on top now?I havnt got it mixed up.I was under the impression that the new set will use a 400 primary and a 300 secondary.Someone was inquiring about being able to upgrade simply by switching out the primarys.I know that the current set will not cool 1000 hp.I thought my post was perfectly clear.My point was that a 400 as a primary in twins is too small to cool 1k ,maybe with nitrous.And you would need huge boost to burn 1000 hp.No offense to anyone at all
Old 09-23-2006, 12:50 PM
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He said that their twins will support 1000hp with the RIGHT ENGINE AND FUEL MODIFICATIONS. Which probably means nitrous.
Old 09-23-2006, 03:09 PM
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I'm throwing around the idea of a B2 (big wheel/low pr map) and a fast spooling big air turbonectics. I haven't spent time into this one yet. It probably wont be a set of BD twins. I drove to the plant twice to drive their truck. It took one ride in Marks(PDR) to sell me. That was three years ago. Technology has changed. I'll give BD look this fall/winter but I'm not holding by breath. Mine are too laggy after say you coasting for sometime then it takes awhile for the bottom to come back to life(2 seconds or so). I'm tried of smoking out the hiway cause I have a heavy foot. Once they light you have a big fat smile. I was talking to Curt-Haisley he nailed it. They work well on the quarter mile and dyno days but just laggy after coasting. Timvinna put together a set of twins that made more boost than drive pressure. Thats the twins that I want. He ran a B2/HX-40 combo.
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I think you'd be real happy with a 40/B2 combo...I towed with them at 328hp, and they still spooled fine. At 402hp (valet switch) I was making 51psi by 2100RPM...pretty good for a low(er) hp truck, I thought at least!

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So the new bd twins are a s300 and s400? I wonder if they're close to Poole's b-1/b-2?
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Originally Posted by Ph4tty
So the new bd twins are a s300 and s400? I wonder if they're close to Poole's b-1/b-2?
No, B1's are 62mm..the S300/Super B BD uses is 57mm. Other than that, maybe somewhat close!

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