CTD99

Amsoil displays results on their website about how much better their oil is compared to other brands. In a case such as this where Series 3000 is supposedly superior to the HDDM, why don't they show tests between these two oils? I mean, they should have something to back up the rather significant price difference, other than just saying it's the best. Don't ya think?

jfpointer

And also remember that by far the majority of their oils are not API certified. Which means that, no matter how good the oil is, your warranty isn't going to applyl

StakeMan

And thier off.


I'm standing by with a fire hose if this thread goes off coarse.

CTD99

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And thier off.


I'm standing by with a fire hose if this thread goes off coarse.
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Oops! I certainly wasn't trying to start anything. I'll shut up now. 8)

StakeMan

No need to stop the discussion. I just wanted to let everyone know I am watching this thread.

Dieseldude4x4

There are several oil topics going right now and I am watching all of them.

msparks

[quote author=CTD99 link=board=7;threadid=18384;start=15#msg173045 date=1060982990]
Amsoil displays results on their website about how much better their oil is compared to other brands. In a case such as this where Series 3000 is supposedly superior to the HDDM, why don't they show tests between these two oils? I mean, they should have something to back up the rather significant price difference, other than just saying it's the best. Don't ya think?
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Of Coarse they have some comparison infomation.

On the Spec sheets you can view the technical properties at the bottom of the page:
http://www.amsoil.com/products/hdd.html

http://www.amsoil.com/products/ame.html

Couple things you will notice is that on the 4 ball wear test. The Series 3000 is tested at 40kg 150C. and 1800 RPMs. with a wear scar of .39 mm
The AME 15w40 is tested at 40kg, 75C. and only 1200 RPM's with a wear scar of .35

So you can see the Series 3000 test is much harder. This is where you should equate the HDD to better fuel economy.

Hope this helps. If you have any other questions let me know.

dieseldel

Ok, I gotta comment.
There is just zero logic here.
When force is applied, oils, including synthetics do not follow a linear scale for lubricity. These dissimilar tests are not very useful. Both grades of Amsoil are good. I believe you when you say its great stuff. Amsoil has a great reputation. 8)
But to believe that these two tests are meaningful measurements for comparison...no way! The tests at different rpm and different temperatures don't get it.
Most major companies do the same thing, so its no big deal, just that I'd like to see logical comparisons showing the "curve" and see how the oils compare under the exact same conditions, so we can really compare.

I'm using Delo 400 now, but probably will end up with Amsoil or "Brand X" synthetic in my truck eventually. ;D

One point I'm really curious about. Is the lubricity really so great with synthetics that there is a measurable improvement in mileage? That would be great, but it sounds like hype.
-Del

BigBlue

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And thier off.


I'm standing by with a fire hose if this thread goes off coarse.
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DINO OIL RULES!!!!!!!!!

msparks

[quote author=dieseldel link=board=7;threadid=18384;start=15#msg173467 date=1061109004]
Ok, I gotta comment.
There is just zero logic here.
When force is applied, oils, including synthetics do not follow a linear scale for lubricity. These dissimilar tests are not very useful.
One point I'm really curious about. Is the lubricity really so great with synthetics that there is a measurable improvement in mileage? That would be great, but it sounds like hype.
-Del
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From what I understand is that when they came out with the new Series 2000/3000 oils, they had to increase the test just to get a reading.(I don't know how true it is, it's just what I heard)

As far as being able to see an improvment in mileage, you can expect 3-5%. Both Amsoil and Delvac 1 claim this when compared to conventional oils. There are 2 ways to show the better lubricating properties of a synlube. 1 is by measuring output of an electrical generator, you can lube the bearing with conventional great, take it apart clean it, relube with synthetic grease. You will see an increase in power output as well as a lowering of temperature.

The second way is through 2 cycle oils. Set up a test stand with 2 fuel tanks that go to a single hose that can be switched back and forth. have this run to a small 2 cycle engine(like a chain saw or something.) Run the motor and switch back and forth, you will see the the RPM's change as well as the temperature. Amsoil has a video of this When they change the tank to the conventional fluid, the RPM's go down and the temp goes up. When they change it to the Amsoil, the RPM's go up and the temp goes down.

As far as doing a direct comparison in a vehicle, I'd say it's nearly impossible. The closest thing is the test Amsoil did on the Big rigs (the link is on my site 8.2%) this was done by an independant research company.

msparks

Here is a link to the Delvac cost saving analysis sheet:

http://www.prod.mobil.com/mobil_lube...s_content.html

Delvac 1 say's claims a fuel saving of 3% or more.

hellotbone

OK all I want to know is, is there a differnece when getting regular amsoil to the heavy duty diesel? Is the diesel ok to run?

I don't need to be convinced on oils we have run amsoil in everything we race since we started and when you tear a motor down you can see who's oils work and who's don't. If anyone is into motorcross they know the standard mixture for a race bike is 50/50 pump fuel race fuel. Then most need 50:1 oil mixture we can run up to 100:1 on amsoil compared to the others but have found no power increase past 70:1 so thats where we run it so you can see less oil but same the same lubrication.

msparks

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OK all I want to know is, is there a differnece when getting regular amsoil to the heavy duty diesel? Is the diesel ok to run?
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Yes there is a difference. Main thing is price! Next should be cold weather protection. 5w30 HDD vs the 15w40 for the AME. Should see slight fuel economy over the 15w40 as well because of the light viscosity.

As far as extneded drains, you should be able to run comparable drains on both oils.

The questions for you to ask me, is If it were my choice what would I run. My choice would be the 5w30 HDD as I feel it's the best that I can put in. Though I would also utilize the by-pass filter to get the most out of my oil/drain interval. So the cost becomes a mute point.

If I were not comfortable runing extended drains or didn't want by-pass filtration. I'd run the 15w40 for at least 7500 miles up to 10,000 and change it out to the 10w40(AMO) for the winter running 7500 to 10,000 miles.