AirDog vs. FASS
12-10-2007, 01:56 AM
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The VP44 inlet size is 12mm x 1.5mm IIRC.
In my '02, there were no less than 3 restrictions smaller than 1/4". I did my install quite a while ago and also instaled one of the first Draw Straws.
With my 12v pump hokked to the factory suction side, my peak pressures were the same at idle as the modded version. My WOT pressure was 21-22 psi in the stock configuration. It jumped to 37 psi with -8 line and a Draw Straw on the suction side.
So, even with the relatively low amounts of flow, the larger suction line made a huge difference. The pressure side hose size remained unchanged.
Dave
In my '02, there were no less than 3 restrictions smaller than 1/4". I did my install quite a while ago and also instaled one of the first Draw Straws.
With my 12v pump hokked to the factory suction side, my peak pressures were the same at idle as the modded version. My WOT pressure was 21-22 psi in the stock configuration. It jumped to 37 psi with -8 line and a Draw Straw on the suction side.
So, even with the relatively low amounts of flow, the larger suction line made a huge difference. The pressure side hose size remained unchanged.
Dave
12-10-2007, 08:46 PM
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You just can't argue with that. Anyway, it wasn't an arguement it was a discussion with opinions. With those pressures and flows comming out of the lift pump the lines from the pump to the engine were of adequate. Well, just to keep this arg.. oops conversation going, you might have had better pressure if you had used a burgundy colored line. What color did you use?
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12-10-2007, 08:58 PM
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been running the airdog and very happy with it. 150 GPH pump has taken care of 850 HP on fuel and 1280 HP on nitrous
Lets see here,the guy who said Walbro was the way to go gets a AirDog sent to him and now they are the cats tail,go figure.
Charlie..
Glad to see your around and feeling better!.
As for the original question....
I'm just wondering why the FASS system seems to be more popular?
One guy likes one brand another likes a different brand,the bigger question is this......WHO FRIGGIN CARES WHY?????....Pick your pump,install it and stand by your decision,why worry about small crap like WHY...Sheesh......Andy
12-10-2007, 08:59 PM
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Charlie, I don't know if you are adressing myself or someone else. I sure don't see any arguments here!
I have always wished the inlet size on the VP44 was 14mm like the older pumps. It sure would go a long way to solving some issues I believe.
Dave
I have always wished the inlet size on the VP44 was 14mm like the older pumps. It sure would go a long way to solving some issues I believe.
Dave
12-14-2007, 04:50 PM
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Hi Dave,
Rowj had commented that the big line was a marketing ploy. Only unless giving everybody pretty much what they want for no extra cost is a ploy.
In other words, the Fuel Preporators and AirDogs have been off the scene for the last 2 1/2 years.
Any company or product with no one competing can take over a market without much effort.
Everyone who has ever had a Fuel Preporator on a class 8 truck knows the performance of this product, it set the standard. WELL, the Fuel Preporator and the Dogs (AirDog that is) is back along with their new buddy the Raptor Fuel Pump.
Ain't Life Great!
Charlie
Rowj had commented that the big line was a marketing ploy. Only unless giving everybody pretty much what they want for no extra cost is a ploy.
In other words, the Fuel Preporators and AirDogs have been off the scene for the last 2 1/2 years.
Any company or product with no one competing can take over a market without much effort.
Everyone who has ever had a Fuel Preporator on a class 8 truck knows the performance of this product, it set the standard. WELL, the Fuel Preporator and the Dogs (AirDog that is) is back along with their new buddy the Raptor Fuel Pump.
Ain't Life Great!
Charlie
12-15-2007, 12:46 AM
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12-18-2007, 11:51 AM
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I believe competition is great; it pushes us to strive for higher quality products!
I'm just wondering why the FASS system seems to be more popular? Especially when I constantly see problems with it (loud motor, brush problems etc?).
Problems with the FASS are, I believe, related to the large number of units out there ... and have all been addressed. Still a very small percentage of the total # (that were installed properly to start with
FASS has over 27,000 systems in the field with less than a 3% failure rate. All issues with the FASS are addressed as they appear to the company. As many products, the FASS is constantly improved.
The growing popularity is derived from the following:
Reputation for setting the industry standards
High quality, concealed brushes
Gerotor style pumps
High quality motors w/High torque (196 406 oz of torque)
Tight pump assembly tolerances (+/- .001)
Assembled through 25 point inspection
Precision machining (T-6061 billet aluminum)
VacuSeal technology, designed by me in 1995
The first to have a 6 year warranty
Cross-referenced filters with Fleetguard
This statement is made with all fairness to the AirDog. Benefits can be seen from both products. We feel the time invested in the Research & Development of the FASS makes it a superior product.
Brad Ekstam
Originally Posted by sshelly
I'm just wondering why the FASS system seems to be more popular? Especially when I constantly see problems with it (loud motor, brush problems etc?).
Originally Posted by RowJ
Problems with the FASS are, I believe, related to the large number of units out there ... and have all been addressed. Still a very small percentage of the total # (that were installed properly to start with
The growing popularity is derived from the following:
Reputation for setting the industry standards
High quality, concealed brushes
Gerotor style pumps
High quality motors w/High torque (196 406 oz of torque)
Tight pump assembly tolerances (+/- .001)
Assembled through 25 point inspection
Precision machining (T-6061 billet aluminum)
VacuSeal technology, designed by me in 1995
The first to have a 6 year warranty
Cross-referenced filters with Fleetguard
This statement is made with all fairness to the AirDog. Benefits can be seen from both products. We feel the time invested in the Research & Development of the FASS makes it a superior product.
Brad Ekstam
12-26-2007, 10:34 AM
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FASS has over 27,000 systems in the field with less than a 3% failure rate. All issues with the FASS are addressed as they appear to the company. As many products, the FASS is constantly improved.
12-26-2007, 03:06 PM
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I believe competition is great; it pushes us to strive for higher quality products!
FASS has over 27,000 systems in the field with less than a 3% failure rate. All issues with the FASS are addressed as they appear to the company. As many products, the FASS is constantly improved.
The growing popularity is derived from the following:
Reputation for setting the industry standards
High quality, concealed brushes
Gerotor style pumps
High quality motors w/High torque (196 406 oz of torque)
Tight pump assembly tolerances (+/- .001)
Assembled through 25 point inspection
Precision machining (T-6061 billet aluminum)
VacuSeal technology, designed by me in 1995
The first to have a 6 year warranty
Cross-referenced filters with Fleetguard
This statement is made with all fairness to the AirDog. Benefits can be seen from both products. We feel the time invested in the Research & Development of the FASS makes it a superior product.
Brad Ekstam
FASS has over 27,000 systems in the field with less than a 3% failure rate. All issues with the FASS are addressed as they appear to the company. As many products, the FASS is constantly improved.
The growing popularity is derived from the following:
Reputation for setting the industry standards
High quality, concealed brushes
Gerotor style pumps
High quality motors w/High torque (196 406 oz of torque)
Tight pump assembly tolerances (+/- .001)
Assembled through 25 point inspection
Precision machining (T-6061 billet aluminum)
VacuSeal technology, designed by me in 1995
The first to have a 6 year warranty
Cross-referenced filters with Fleetguard
This statement is made with all fairness to the AirDog. Benefits can be seen from both products. We feel the time invested in the Research & Development of the FASS makes it a superior product.
Brad Ekstam
Im still trying to find a fleetguard filter for my fass 95/95.
Could you tell me the part number please?
12-26-2007, 03:15 PM
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This may have been asked, or even shown before, but do either of the competing companies have any charts that show the flow vs. pressure?
Personally, I'd like to know what each one flows. Everyone say they like their pressure at "x" psi, but I wanna see what the pumps are actually flowing at said pressures.
Personally, I'd like to know what each one flows. Everyone say they like their pressure at "x" psi, but I wanna see what the pumps are actually flowing at said pressures.
12-26-2007, 03:54 PM
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12-28-2007, 08:35 AM
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12-28-2007, 12:24 PM
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We have two types of dealers, they are a VIP Dealer or an Authorized Dealer. The only difference between them is the Authorized Dealer can sell competitors products to where the VIP Dealer agrees not to sell a competitors product. The VIP Dealer in-turn gets direct referrals from us, by way of a listing on FASSride.com along with getting direct phone referrals. By no means do we prohibit a dealer from selling a competitors product, but we reward those (FASS VIP Dealer) who only sell our product line with referrals.
Brad
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