A REALLY good reason to keep your driver's license, reg., and insurance REAL handy
12-13-2007, 02:07 PM
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I don't disagree with you. I was just saying no reason to be difficult when you get pulled over... Or in life in general to any professional for that matter.
The cop in the situation should have used his interpersonal skills and controlled the situation. The only control he had was the use of his weapon and that isn't a trait of a good cop.
If he had treated me like that I don't know what I would have done which is what kinda scares me personally.
The cop in the situation should have used his interpersonal skills and controlled the situation. The only control he had was the use of his weapon and that isn't a trait of a good cop.
If he had treated me like that I don't know what I would have done which is what kinda scares me personally.
12-13-2007, 07:27 PM
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As far as the rules being the same for EID’s vs revolvers: EID’s are being used to keep Officers from having to use their revolvers and prevent the Officer from getting into a physical confrontation resulting in their weapon getting used against them or innocent bystanders.
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12-13-2007, 07:53 PM
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Best way I've found to avoid getting tazered (or shot) by the reponding LEO.......
When the cop arrives on the scene,......stop doing the stupid stuff that brought him there in the first place.
It's been working for me so far.
When the cop arrives on the scene,......stop doing the stupid stuff that brought him there in the first place.
It's been working for me so far.
12-13-2007, 08:29 PM
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.The guy I posted on I think page 1 about getting tazed in Austin that I know played baseball for UT and is a specimen of athletic ability and couldn't out run them... Although it took them two tazers to take him down so the cop said in the video. The video is on the local ABC station, I wouldn't feel right posting it though. I think it was in June 06 if anyone wants to look back that far on their site.
12-13-2007, 08:43 PM
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Sad thing is if the cop shot the guy with his "service pistol" instead of his Taser I think certain members of this board would still defend this out of control cop.
In the video it is pretty darn evident that the cop was out of line, and his superiors agreed and conducted an internal investigation. The officer in question was suspended.
Even if the kid in the car was trying to stall or just defuse the cops rage either way the officer was way out of line.
Sad thing is it seems like this is happening more often.
In the video it is pretty darn evident that the cop was out of line, and his superiors agreed and conducted an internal investigation. The officer in question was suspended.
Even if the kid in the car was trying to stall or just defuse the cops rage either way the officer was way out of line.
Sad thing is it seems like this is happening more often.
12-14-2007, 12:11 PM
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Sad thing is if the cop shot the guy with his "service pistol" instead of his Taser I think certain members of this board would still defend this out of control cop.
In the video it is pretty darn evident that the cop was out of line, and his superiors agreed and conducted an internal investigation. The officer in question was suspended.
Even if the kid in the car was trying to stall or just defuse the cops rage either way the officer was way out of line.
Sad thing is it seems like this is happening more often.
In the video it is pretty darn evident that the cop was out of line, and his superiors agreed and conducted an internal investigation. The officer in question was suspended.
Even if the kid in the car was trying to stall or just defuse the cops rage either way the officer was way out of line.
Sad thing is it seems like this is happening more often.
The eventuality of a passenger such as a wife, husband, father, mother, son, daughter, etc. who legally conceal carries a firearm witnessing what they believe to be an out of control & unresponsive LEO using a taser on a family member who they believe to be in immediate jeopardy of death or serious injury (such as having knowledge that the taser victim has a heart condition or pacemaker) uses lethal force to protect the taser victim from injury is something that likely may come to pass and definitely WILL be decided by a judge and jury. A horrible loose/loose situation alround. After all, the most basic human right and natural instinct is to protect yourself & loved ones from harm.
In each and everyone of these video's I have seen demonstrated unusual and suspicious aggression on the part of the LEO in my view. Have any of the officers in these video's been drug tested immediately after the incident? During my time as a military pilot, ANY incident involving damage or crew injury with an aircraft require IMMEDIATE blood and urine samples drawn on the spot. It is no secret that steroid use is on the rise and is a SERIOUS issue in ALL levels of law enforcement NOT just baseball or professional wrestling.
The police across this nation have a VERY valuable and essential mission to protect and serve the public among MANY other things. As such that support is essential from the public. Each and everytime one of these taser incidents takes place, especially when captured on video, undermines that mission as well as the public perception & support of the police. Little by little that support is being damaged & erroded.
12-14-2007, 12:24 PM
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so what happens if you forgot your drivers license at home or dident have proof of insurance
I think alot of the problem is people dont feel safe when a police officer walks to there window, for what ever reason this profession has lost it's respect. It needs to be an honarable well paid respected job, this maybe a stretch but if you hear of a seal or a ranger you know that dude is serious and worked very hard to get to that position, my point is the police need this kindoff respect and it needs to be a diffecult position to obtain.
I think alot of the problem is people dont feel safe when a police officer walks to there window, for what ever reason this profession has lost it's respect. It needs to be an honarable well paid respected job, this maybe a stretch but if you hear of a seal or a ranger you know that dude is serious and worked very hard to get to that position, my point is the police need this kindoff respect and it needs to be a diffecult position to obtain.
12-14-2007, 03:10 PM
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About 9 years ago the officer in that video was almost killed in the sector I was working at that time. He was off duty/in uniform when he stopped to assist what he thought was a stranded motorist, turned out to be an attempted robbery. Tom ended up in a scuffle with the suspect who overpowered Tom and took control of his handgun. As Tom and the suspect struggled for control of the handgun rounds were fired hitting Tom's personal car and the suspect's vehicle. When Tom knew he was losing the fight he ejected his magazine knowing the S&W he was carrying wouldn't fire it's last round. Probably saved his life.
The suspect escaped, me and other units got him the next night at a nearby apartment complex. Think that changed his perspective on "non compliance" regardless how small it appears to you on the screen in the comfort of your home? A guy that will argue over something as simple as providing a DL is telling you to kick it up a notch. Why doesn't he want to, warrants, armed, dope, or just having a bad day? You are betting your future on the response to the assessed threat. This would have been one of countless uneventful videos had it not been for the non compliance of the guy stopped. Argue the time line and attitudes all you want, won't change that simple fact. In fact I believe Chris Rock even made a paraody of this very scenario, it was called "what not to do to get your a** kicked by the police"
For those in the Austin area the deal 9 years ago happened at the 7-11 Rundberg/Cameron.
My apologies to Jack Thorpe, I told him I would not post here any longer.
The suspect escaped, me and other units got him the next night at a nearby apartment complex. Think that changed his perspective on "non compliance" regardless how small it appears to you on the screen in the comfort of your home? A guy that will argue over something as simple as providing a DL is telling you to kick it up a notch. Why doesn't he want to, warrants, armed, dope, or just having a bad day? You are betting your future on the response to the assessed threat. This would have been one of countless uneventful videos had it not been for the non compliance of the guy stopped. Argue the time line and attitudes all you want, won't change that simple fact. In fact I believe Chris Rock even made a paraody of this very scenario, it was called "what not to do to get your a** kicked by the police"
For those in the Austin area the deal 9 years ago happened at the 7-11 Rundberg/Cameron.
My apologies to Jack Thorpe, I told him I would not post here any longer.
12-14-2007, 03:21 PM
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I have been in dangerous situations with people when i dident anticipate it but that doesent mean everyone i approach i am gettin ready for them to attack me.
12-14-2007, 03:24 PM
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12-14-2007, 03:29 PM
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Ok, then you probably don't understand that officers SHOULD treat every single contact they make as a potential for officer safety concerns. Some get complacent, and those are usually the ones that get killed. Just because I stop a 70 yr old man who's driving 30, I still consider him just as much of a threat as anyone. Ever see the Texas state trooper get shot and killed by a 72 yr old man with the rifle? You never know. when working, everyone is considered a potential threat.
12-14-2007, 03:34 PM
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JD it's starting to sound like the modern day LEO's
want to try, convict, and carry out the sentence on people before it ever gets to the court where it belongs. I think I'll pick up a taser so I can shoot people that talk back to me or give me dirty looks. I mean after-all what's a little thing like due-process or Constitutional rights when you can get by with murder or aggravated assault and just get 3 days suspension for it. What would happen to a normal citizen if he tased someone that hadn't touched or attacked him in an act of violence. I bet it would take a good Lawyer and a bunch of cash to keep you out of jail for starters.
want to try, convict, and carry out the sentence on people before it ever gets to the court where it belongs. I think I'll pick up a taser so I can shoot people that talk back to me or give me dirty looks. I mean after-all what's a little thing like due-process or Constitutional rights when you can get by with murder or aggravated assault and just get 3 days suspension for it. What would happen to a normal citizen if he tased someone that hadn't touched or attacked him in an act of violence. I bet it would take a good Lawyer and a bunch of cash to keep you out of jail for starters.
12-14-2007, 03:41 PM
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mcoleman,
You're right about one thing. It does belong in the courts, and that is the whole point being made here. The rest of your post, well, I won't even comment on that.
You're right about one thing. It does belong in the courts, and that is the whole point being made here. The rest of your post, well, I won't even comment on that.
12-14-2007, 03:41 PM
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Ok, then you probably don't understand that officers SHOULD treat every single contact they make as a potential for officer safety concerns. Some get complacent, and those are usually the ones that get killed. Just because I stop a 70 yr old man who's driving 30, I still consider him just as much of a threat as anyone. Ever see the Texas state trooper get shot and killed by a 72 yr old man with the rifle? You never know. when working, everyone is considered a potential threat.