Predator control, are you for it or against it?
#1
Predator control, are you for it or against it?
O.K Let's not blow this one up, I am just curious to see what your comments are, here is why.
Alaska goes back to shooting Wolves from air planes for predator control. This was a practice years ago to help the moose and caribou population but was banned in the 80's because of bunny lovers. While this style of predator control was in use, the moose and caribou population was booming, since the ban and yes hunting pressure too (I am not biased) the moose and caribou have crashed. Now! Noted point, yes bears kill more moose calfs in the spring breeding grounds and yes the state stepped in and relocated a ton of them. But what I have found as well as many others is a bear will kill and consume or stash it for later, a wolf pack will kill and eat till they are full and leave the carcass or (I have seen this myself) they will kill and leave it, kill just to kill and move on to find another and do the same. I found that bizarre and it was interesting to see this activity.
I myself am a hunter and proud to be, I am also glad to see the air bourne hunting back in action, it really needs to be done. I am soooooo SICK of these bunny lovers telling us this is wrong and we are going to "BOYCOTT" TOURISM TO ALASKA! To that I , boycott all you wish, leave the state, don't let the boarder hit ya in the butt! To me that would mean more room on the rivers in the summer! ;D
And I think I know what my new LIC plate will be now "WLFKLR"...
Remember everyone has a right to "thier" own opinion, so please everybody be easy when responding to this, son't bash anyone for thier belief's! I like to see animals in the wild too, but the wolves are growing in large numbers.
"I love animals,THIER TASTY! ;D
Alaska goes back to shooting Wolves from air planes for predator control. This was a practice years ago to help the moose and caribou population but was banned in the 80's because of bunny lovers. While this style of predator control was in use, the moose and caribou population was booming, since the ban and yes hunting pressure too (I am not biased) the moose and caribou have crashed. Now! Noted point, yes bears kill more moose calfs in the spring breeding grounds and yes the state stepped in and relocated a ton of them. But what I have found as well as many others is a bear will kill and consume or stash it for later, a wolf pack will kill and eat till they are full and leave the carcass or (I have seen this myself) they will kill and leave it, kill just to kill and move on to find another and do the same. I found that bizarre and it was interesting to see this activity.
I myself am a hunter and proud to be, I am also glad to see the air bourne hunting back in action, it really needs to be done. I am soooooo SICK of these bunny lovers telling us this is wrong and we are going to "BOYCOTT" TOURISM TO ALASKA! To that I , boycott all you wish, leave the state, don't let the boarder hit ya in the butt! To me that would mean more room on the rivers in the summer! ;D
And I think I know what my new LIC plate will be now "WLFKLR"...
Remember everyone has a right to "thier" own opinion, so please everybody be easy when responding to this, son't bash anyone for thier belief's! I like to see animals in the wild too, but the wolves are growing in large numbers.
"I love animals,THIER TASTY! ;D
#2
Re:Predator control, are you for it or against it?
Instead of killing them why don't you send some of them down to Texas. I like wildlife myself and we seem to have a shortage of wolves around here.
#3
Re:Predator control, are you for it or against it?
Similiar problem in California with the mountian lion. The bunny lovers influenced a ban on hunting, then there was an increase in "lost dogs and cats" along with an increase in sightings of the mountian lion in urban areas.
Finally they started to see an increase in attacks on humans. You may have read about the toddler that was killed a few years back from what they think was a mountian lion. I don't believe they ever found him, just some mountian lion tracks.
The bunny huggers didn't have much to say about that.
Kevin
Finally they started to see an increase in attacks on humans. You may have read about the toddler that was killed a few years back from what they think was a mountian lion. I don't believe they ever found him, just some mountian lion tracks.
The bunny huggers didn't have much to say about that.
Kevin
#4
Re:Predator control, are you for it or against it?
Rather than shoot them from planes, trains, automobiles, helicopters, whatever,
they should just issue permits like every other "big game" animal.
Let the hunters take "practice" shots at them in preparation for the later big game hunts.
Have the "predator" hunt be a month or so prior to the deer or elk hunt.
Hunters can then find their herds or perches and take out some predators while they're at it.
Give them a little bit of a fighting chance.
Proud member of PETA: People Eating Tasty Animals.
If God/god didn't want us eating animals, why did he/she make them out of meat.
phox
they should just issue permits like every other "big game" animal.
Let the hunters take "practice" shots at them in preparation for the later big game hunts.
Have the "predator" hunt be a month or so prior to the deer or elk hunt.
Hunters can then find their herds or perches and take out some predators while they're at it.
Give them a little bit of a fighting chance.
Proud member of PETA: People Eating Tasty Animals.
If God/god didn't want us eating animals, why did he/she make them out of meat.
phox
#5
Re:Predator control, are you for it or against it?
HOSS: YOU CAN HAVE THEM ALL!
KD: Yeha I remember reading about that, they shut up really quick after that!
Phox: Hunting wolves is very,very,very hard! Unless you just stumble onto them, they are rarly seen. By using a plane (super cub) you can cover alot of terrain and catch them out in the open. Trust me it is sporting, you ever try to shoot a 12ga. out of a moving super cub with the animal dodging around? It is very hard. They are only going to allow this by "skilled people". Not just anyone can go do this. I have read many old timmer stories about shooting thier props off!
Cool responces! Keep em' cummins! ;D
I have to finish my truck now, or its a LONG walk to work in the morning.
KD: Yeha I remember reading about that, they shut up really quick after that!
Phox: Hunting wolves is very,very,very hard! Unless you just stumble onto them, they are rarly seen. By using a plane (super cub) you can cover alot of terrain and catch them out in the open. Trust me it is sporting, you ever try to shoot a 12ga. out of a moving super cub with the animal dodging around? It is very hard. They are only going to allow this by "skilled people". Not just anyone can go do this. I have read many old timmer stories about shooting thier props off!
Cool responces! Keep em' cummins! ;D
I have to finish my truck now, or its a LONG walk to work in the morning.
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#8
Re:Predator control, are you for it or against it?
Having lived just outside Yellowstone and Glacier I can attest to 02DSLDOG's comments. It was a HUGE mistake to bring back wolves to our National Parks.
The bunny huggers who infiltrated the government offices thirty years ago are in control. They are in the thick of it, cramming down our throats every conceivable do-gooder program that benefits few, while increasing their coffers. Sierra Club, Nature Conservancy, PeTA, Greenpeace, et all have done more to disrupt the continuity of American life and our pursuit of happiness than all the Middle Eastern wackos have done in last two years.
Even DU & TU got sucked up into this mess, thinking the other orgs were doing their bidding too. BIG mistake. They should have paid more attention to conservation programs that getting politically involved. Conservation is a good word, environmentalism is a bad word. Get it straight in your minds.
We can change it. But first we need to band together as one single entity. If we don't we're doomed to following their lead forever.
On edit: http://www.rangemagazine.com/archive/tnc/tnc-sp-03.htm
The bunny huggers who infiltrated the government offices thirty years ago are in control. They are in the thick of it, cramming down our throats every conceivable do-gooder program that benefits few, while increasing their coffers. Sierra Club, Nature Conservancy, PeTA, Greenpeace, et all have done more to disrupt the continuity of American life and our pursuit of happiness than all the Middle Eastern wackos have done in last two years.
Even DU & TU got sucked up into this mess, thinking the other orgs were doing their bidding too. BIG mistake. They should have paid more attention to conservation programs that getting politically involved. Conservation is a good word, environmentalism is a bad word. Get it straight in your minds.
We can change it. But first we need to band together as one single entity. If we don't we're doomed to following their lead forever.
On edit: http://www.rangemagazine.com/archive/tnc/tnc-sp-03.htm
#9
Re:Predator control, are you for it or against it?
Just a side note.
I think it's fitting that the term "Bunny Hugger" was used.
Isn't the Wolf the main predator of the bunny?
Or do they stick with larger prey?
If I was a "Bunny Hugger" the last thing I'd want around is a Wolf.
phox
I think it's fitting that the term "Bunny Hugger" was used.
Isn't the Wolf the main predator of the bunny?
Or do they stick with larger prey?
If I was a "Bunny Hugger" the last thing I'd want around is a Wolf.
phox
#10
Re:Predator control, are you for it or against it?
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Just a side note.
I think it's fitting that the term "Bunny Hugger" was used.
Isn't the Wolf the main predator of the bunny?
Or do they stick with larger prey?
If I was a "Bunny Hugger" the last thing I'd want around is a Wolf.
phox
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Bunny hugger is the politest way I can describe them. I have a ton of others but TOP would slap my hand. :-
Just a side note.
I think it's fitting that the term "Bunny Hugger" was used.
Isn't the Wolf the main predator of the bunny?
Or do they stick with larger prey?
If I was a "Bunny Hugger" the last thing I'd want around is a Wolf.
phox
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Bunny hugger is the politest way I can describe them. I have a ton of others but TOP would slap my hand. :-
#12
Re:Predator control, are you for it or against it?
here is my thought on this...
I don't shoot anything I don't plan on eating, so you wouldn't see me out there shooting wolves even if there was a free season on them. I don't think I am the only one that feels this way about the expense of hunting an animal that doesn't provide me any thing in return (meat)
I think man has so thoroughly screwed up the balance of nature the only way to protect some species is through control. I don't mind the idea of thinning the stocks. I don't like the idea of wiping them out.
I get aggrivated with much of the "bunny hugger" agenda, the idea of "NO hunting" and "NO fishing" and "No, NO, NO" makes me see red. However when taken in moderation I can see that the "bunny hugger" agenda has been useful and has provided a benefit. As agrivating as they are, I don't think we would be enjoying the same ammount of wildlife as we would if there wern't any bunny huggers.
I have my moose in the freezer... Anyone else?
I don't shoot anything I don't plan on eating, so you wouldn't see me out there shooting wolves even if there was a free season on them. I don't think I am the only one that feels this way about the expense of hunting an animal that doesn't provide me any thing in return (meat)
I think man has so thoroughly screwed up the balance of nature the only way to protect some species is through control. I don't mind the idea of thinning the stocks. I don't like the idea of wiping them out.
I get aggrivated with much of the "bunny hugger" agenda, the idea of "NO hunting" and "NO fishing" and "No, NO, NO" makes me see red. However when taken in moderation I can see that the "bunny hugger" agenda has been useful and has provided a benefit. As agrivating as they are, I don't think we would be enjoying the same ammount of wildlife as we would if there wern't any bunny huggers.
I have my moose in the freezer... Anyone else?
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Re:Predator control, are you for it or against it?
[quote author=Shovelhead link=board=10;threadid=22054;start=0#msg206463 date=1068131629]
We have a problem with the two-legged predators.
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What he said. Too darn many two leggers on this planet.
I like a good debate as well as any one else but sleddog your original post was biased right from the first key stroke. Sounds like you are just looking for a battle. Yes I did read your disclaimer. I have no problem killing for consumption. I have raised them, worked in a slaughterhouse, and I eat them. Beef, chicken, wild boar, deer, rabbit all in my freezer right now. I'd like to see an independent study done on this problem and then I will make an informed decision. Gov't study is equal to bunk, tree huggers is the same. Get someone in the middle.
Westcoaster had the most sensible post yet.
We have a problem with the two-legged predators.
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What he said. Too darn many two leggers on this planet.
I like a good debate as well as any one else but sleddog your original post was biased right from the first key stroke. Sounds like you are just looking for a battle. Yes I did read your disclaimer. I have no problem killing for consumption. I have raised them, worked in a slaughterhouse, and I eat them. Beef, chicken, wild boar, deer, rabbit all in my freezer right now. I'd like to see an independent study done on this problem and then I will make an informed decision. Gov't study is equal to bunk, tree huggers is the same. Get someone in the middle.
Westcoaster had the most sensible post yet.
#14
Re:Predator control, are you for it or against it?
As for eating what you kill, that can be taken to the far side as well. I am all for eating big game, but you can bet that I won't eat the 400 gophers I shoot in a day.
Mike
Mike
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Re:Predator control, are you for it or against it?
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What he said. Too darn many two leggers on this planet.
I like a good debate as well as any one else but sleddog your original post was biased right from the first key stroke. Sounds like you are just looking for a battle. Yes I did read your disclaimer. I have no problem killing for consumption. I have raised them, worked in a slaughterhouse, and I eat them. Beef, chicken, wild boar, deer, rabbit all in my freezer right now. I'd like to see an independent study done on this problem and then I will make an informed decision. Gov't study is equal to bunk, tree huggers is the same. Get someone in the middle.
Westcoaster had the most sensible post yet.
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Care to explain? First my nic is not sleddog, it is dsldog (diesel dog). And no I am not looking for a battle or a fight. I do agree that the two legged animals have done the damage, but now that it is done there needs to be a "balance", but reaching that balance in nature will never happen. I am not infavor of wipping out the whole clan, but they do need to be "thinned out" a bit. They are coming into peoples yards and snatching pets off of there cable runs, confronting people, killing large game and moving on to kill some more. I find quite a few "whole carcasses" that wolves have killed and not touched! And as for you can't eat them? You are right, but you can sell the hides for a nice little chunk of change. I do not shoot anything that I can not use or eat. We have to many wolves, not enough moose or caribou. Thin out the wolves and restrict hunting to bring back the balance.
You may pick my post apart and show me where I am being biased. I am not a writter and a very sloppy speller and sometimes getting my point across comes out wrong.
Not looking for a fight. 8)
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What he said. Too darn many two leggers on this planet.
I like a good debate as well as any one else but sleddog your original post was biased right from the first key stroke. Sounds like you are just looking for a battle. Yes I did read your disclaimer. I have no problem killing for consumption. I have raised them, worked in a slaughterhouse, and I eat them. Beef, chicken, wild boar, deer, rabbit all in my freezer right now. I'd like to see an independent study done on this problem and then I will make an informed decision. Gov't study is equal to bunk, tree huggers is the same. Get someone in the middle.
Westcoaster had the most sensible post yet.
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Care to explain? First my nic is not sleddog, it is dsldog (diesel dog). And no I am not looking for a battle or a fight. I do agree that the two legged animals have done the damage, but now that it is done there needs to be a "balance", but reaching that balance in nature will never happen. I am not infavor of wipping out the whole clan, but they do need to be "thinned out" a bit. They are coming into peoples yards and snatching pets off of there cable runs, confronting people, killing large game and moving on to kill some more. I find quite a few "whole carcasses" that wolves have killed and not touched! And as for you can't eat them? You are right, but you can sell the hides for a nice little chunk of change. I do not shoot anything that I can not use or eat. We have to many wolves, not enough moose or caribou. Thin out the wolves and restrict hunting to bring back the balance.
You may pick my post apart and show me where I am being biased. I am not a writter and a very sloppy speller and sometimes getting my point across comes out wrong.
Not looking for a fight. 8)