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Old 03-24-2010 | 08:18 PM
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Preachin To The Choir

1 . Americans spend $36,000,000 at Wal-Mart Every hour of every day.
.. This works out to $20,928 profit every minute!
. Wal-Mart will sell more from January 1 to St. Patrick's Day (March
7th) than Target sells all year.
. Wal-Mart is bigger than Home Depot + Kroger + Target + Sears + Costco
K-Mart combined.
. Wal-Mart employs 1.6 million people and is the largest private
mployer, and most speak English.
. Wal-Mart is the largest company in the history of the World.
. Wal-Mart now sells more food than Kroger & Safeway combined, and keep
n mind they did this in only 15 years.
. During this same period, 31 supermarket chains sought bankruptcy.
. Wal-Mart now sells more food than any other store in the world.
0. Wal-Mart has approx 3,900 stores in the USA of which 1,906 are Super
enters; this is 1,000 more than it had 5 Years ago.
1. This year 7.2 billion different purchasing experiences will occur At
Wal-Mart store. (Earth's population is approximately 6.5 Billion.) 12.
0% of all Americans live within 15 miles of a Wal-Mart.
you may think that I am complaining, but I am really laying the ground
work for suggesting that MAYBE we should hire the guys who run Wal-Mart
o Fix the economy.


This should be read and understood by all Americans Democrats,
Republicans, EVERYONE!!

To President Obama and all 535 voting members of the Legislature, It is
now official you are ALL corrupt morons:
*
The U.S. Post Service
was established in 1775. You have had 234
ears to get it right and it is BROKE

Social Securitywas established in 1935. You have had 74 years
to get it right and it is BROKE

Fannie Mae was established and is now BROKE.

The War on Poverty
started in 1964. You have had 45 years to get it
right; $1 trillion of our money is confiscated each year and transferred
to "the poor" and they only want more.

Medicare and Medicaid
were established in 1965. You have had 44
ears to get it right and they are BROKE

Freddie Mac was established in 1970. You have had 39 years to
get it right and it is BROKE

The Department of Energy
was created in 1977 to lessen our
dependence on foreign oil. It has ballooned to 16,000 employees with a
budget of $24 billion a year and we import more oil than ever before,FAILURE

You have FAILED in every "government service" you have shoved down our
throats while overspending our tax dollars [COLOR="Red"]AND YOU WANT AMERICANS TO
BELIEVE YOU CAN BE TRUSTED WITH A GOVERNMENT-RUN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM??
Old 03-24-2010 | 08:33 PM
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Old 03-24-2010 | 08:52 PM
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Believe me, there will be a day when you appreciate that new law. You wonīt like what Iīm saying right now, but free healthcare is not about socialism or communism. Itīs about the people. Without the people that built your country there would be no USA, ther might even be no Germany. The German and the Japanese constitution directly derived from the US constitution. With some "add-ons" like healthcare. And if it works for us I bet it works for you. We just added some "ingredients"

And it works, sure it could be better. But everything ccould be better.

Feel free to bash me, but I know my country better than you know mine and it really is good with a healthcare system. Just one example, your wife is pregnant and looses her job because of her pregnancy. Wouldnīt happen over here because the company would pay (I donīt know the exact % right now...but I heard something like 70%) for the next three years. Bad for the chef but good for every employee.

And now bash me!!
Old 03-24-2010 | 10:12 PM
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The new US system is not a government run system. It has some tax law changes and some regulations concerning insurance companies and it pushes non-covered citizens to get covered so the rest of us don't have to cover their emergency room costs. Forcing people to get coverage is a very touchy subject, but letting irresponsible people bill the rest of us for their care in the emergency room is not right either. I don't want others gambling with my money. Unless we find some way to get costs under control we'll all be bankrupt or die for lack of medical care.

The US systems that are government run are Medicare and the VA system. The VA care that I get is outstanding. Medicare seems to work pretty well too, with much lower overhead than private insurance companies, no dropping people to increase profits, etc., etc.

Many other systems around the world have proven to work very well. I'm convinced we have the best medical care available in the world, if you can afford it or find someone else to pay for it. That's the rub. Prices have gone beyond unreasonable. It's legal extorsion and theft.
Old 03-24-2010 | 11:52 PM
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I think I need the health care this is giving me rectal cancer from smoke being blown up my old address.
Old 03-25-2010 | 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Northern Light

And now bash me!!
IMO, there is no need to bash you. If anything, the lessons your country learned about healthcare could help us IF we listen.
I honestly dont know what to think of the system. I have heard so many diffrent things good and bad, that I cant tell what is fact from fiction anymore.
Old 03-25-2010 | 05:24 AM
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Well, IMO (and being from Austria, we have some similarities with the German system), a public healthcare system can be really good to have. With our "social insurance" system you have a certain set of benefits- and you know the costs. The problem I see with the US system as it is (AFAIK) is the part of "pre-existing conditions"- Naturally any insurance company that is geared for profit will want to insure healthy, low risk folks only. Any pre-existing condition and you are on your own. Over here you get the insurance anyways, and you do not have to pay higher premiums if you have a pre-existing problem. Naturally this transfers money from the healthy to the sick, but this is the job of the system IMO.
Our system has it's problems too- mainly that it is run by politicians or their croonies.
I think that the US could learn a lot from our system, its benefits and pitfalls.
Due to the nature of our society the "handouts" from unemployment, disability pension etc do flow back to the state by the way of taxes.
I think that our system has one big advantage- since all the bills are footed by one entity, this entity is interested in getting everybody able to work as soon as possible after any kind of illness or accident. If you split this up, say one entity pays for medical care, another for rehab and a third for disability pensions, and one person has an accident or an illness there is a conflict of interests. The one paying for medical care will want it cheap, regardless of the costs to the other two.
Just my 2c
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Old 03-25-2010 | 08:38 AM
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12. 0% of all Americans live within 15 miles of a Wal-Mart.

I live about 13 miles from our Wal-Mart. My parents live about a mile from it. There's apartment buildings in sight of ours. So with a flaw in this fact, I would question all the others.

I do know a lady that is a manager at a Walmart. She has told us that part of Walmart's belief system is that it cannot fail. She might be right but with any business, there will always be a chance of failure. Closing a Walmart store is not failure to them, it's just a business decision. Having brought a store in and killing all other business in a town, then closing the only store they have left is of no concern to them. I personally am not a fan of Walmart and believe it is bad for us.
Old 03-25-2010 | 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Northern Light
Believe me, there will be a day when you appreciate that new law. You wonīt like what Iīm saying right now, but free healthcare is not about socialism or communism. Itīs about the people. Without the people that built your country there would be no USA, ther might even be no Germany. The German and the Japanese constitution directly derived from the US constitution. With some "add-ons" like healthcare. And if it works for us I bet it works for you. We just added some "ingredients"

And it works, sure it could be better. But everything ccould be better.

Feel free to bash me, but I know my country better than you know mine and it really is good with a healthcare system. Just one example, your wife is pregnant and looses her job because of her pregnancy. Wouldnīt happen over here because the company would pay (I donīt know the exact % right now...but I heard something like 70%) for the next three years. Bad for the chef but good for every employee.

And now bash me!!

No bashing, but here's the deal.

Germany is going down before we are because of your ways. I have friends in Germany, one who I have worked with here in the states was amazed at what we have. This is not some flunky, but a solid Electrical Engineer. I am roughly the same here. I took him out to our little Farm, prior to putting up our house, definitely nothing special, just 10 acres that we paid cash for.

He was blown away that someone who was not rich could own something like that...... All he could afford was a 2700 square METER lot to put a house on.

Here the poorest amongst up has Central Air........ So before you decide how others should live, you should watch out for the sharks coming up behind you, those that want to work for the things they have.

And yes, we are in the same boat, because China is eating our shorts right now, yet we continue on this path of believing Nirvana is "Free Health Care"

BTW, your wife would not lose her Job because of a pregnancy here..........
Old 03-25-2010 | 10:42 AM
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I have a hard time listening to angry preachers.

It's ok John you have been listened to.....the Wallyworld on Hatch Road has the ammo cabinet fully(almost) stocked.
Old 03-25-2010 | 12:15 PM
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Northern Light and AlpineRam

I'm not bashing you but how about we send you 11,000,000 to 30,000,000 illegal immigrants (we do not know the exact number) and see how your system works

illegal immigrants receiving free health care either by clogging our emergency rooms to receive free care and/or not paying their bills coupled with no tort reform is what had made our health insurance and health care cost so much plus the fact that the US spends much more on medical research than any other country in the world

a 36 year old illegal immigrant, drug user enters a emergency room after being dropped off for slurred speech, admitted to the hospital, cat scans ran showing numberous portions of the brain dead from drug usage, requires 1 on 1 care due to potential suicide, costs running $3,000 per day to the hospital not counting the tests, the hopsital cannot legally discharge him or send him back where he came from, that's what is wrong with our system
Old 03-25-2010 | 03:02 PM
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"Free" certainly gets thrown around alot. How is it "Free"?

You can't give someone something without taking it from someone else!
Old 03-25-2010 | 03:50 PM
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Sixslug, you're right, it is free to the illegal in the example but costs you and I and all the other taxpayers
Old 03-25-2010 | 06:47 PM
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patdaly, point taken

Though you might not lose your job you wonīt get paid during and after pregnancy. That "losing your job" thing was my fault

larrybartlett, believe me, we have more than enough immigrants over here either. Though not in that range of 11-30 millions. But I understand your thoughts.

biododge, our healthcare system might not be optimal but it sure seems to work. Again, itīs not about beeing a communist or socialist (who rose that idea?), itīs about the people. Sure, youīll loose some money from your paycheck. But then you wonīt see families asking for money because their child got cancer.

This system might not work for everyone. And from what Iīve read over here, most people donīt like it. My personal thought is that it goes into the right direction.
Old 03-25-2010 | 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by 1-2-3
12. 0% of all Americans live within 15 miles of a Wal-Mart.

I live about 13 miles from our Wal-Mart. My parents live about a mile from it. There's apartment buildings in sight of ours. So with a flaw in this fact, I would question all the others.

I do know a lady that is a manager at a Walmart. She has told us that part of Walmart's belief system is that it cannot fail. She might be right but with any business, there will always be a chance of failure. Closing a Walmart store is not failure to them, it's just a business decision. Having brought a store in and killing all other business in a town, then closing the only store they have left is of no concern to them. I personally am not a fan of Walmart and believe it is bad for us.

If you notice, the second line of each point is missing the first character. Unless USPS really did have 234 EARS to get it right.



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