Originally Posted by usmc2311

Trying to predict what the planet will do is like standing at the end of a tunnel with a radar gun and clocking a CTD at 70 MPH and summarizing that it was going 70 all through the tunnel. Heck, we just came out of the 'little ice age' in the late 1700's. The warmest decade this century was in the 1930's. And I'm sure that all the cars, or clear cutting, or Algores house didn't contribute. I'm calling BS. Just heard the founder of The Weather Channel (he's a meterologist on KUSI in San Diego) on the Rush Limbaugh program on Friday. He even calls it BS. He says that in 20 years we won't be talking about global warming at all. I'm with him. Like was stated earlier in this post, in the 70's/80's they were talking about global cooling. It's whatever is newsworthy. Unfortunately we are all paying the price now. Increased emmisions standards. Higher fuel cost. Rediculous taxes. And while they talk about the shrinking ice caps in the north (and the devastating effects on the poor polar bears) they fail to mention that the Antartic ice cap is growing at an increased rate.

Originally Posted by usmc2311

Trying to predict what the planet will do is like standing at the end of a tunnel with a radar gun and clocking a CTD at 70 MPH and summarizing that it was going 70 all through the tunnel. Heck, we just came out of the 'little ice age' in the late 1700's. The warmest decade this century was in the 1930's. And I'm sure that all the cars, or clear cutting, or Algores house didn't contribute. I'm calling BS. Just heard the founder of The Weather Channel (he's a meterologist on KUSI in San Diego) on the Rush Limbaugh program on Friday. He even calls it BS. He says that in 20 years we won't be talking about global warming at all. I'm with him. Like was stated earlier in this post, in the 70's/80's they were talking about global cooling. It's whatever is newsworthy. Unfortunately we are all paying the price now. Increased emmisions standards. Higher fuel cost. Rediculous taxes. And while they talk about the shrinking ice caps in the north (and the devastating effects on the poor polar bears) they fail to mention that the Antartic ice cap is growing at an increased rate.

Originally Posted by coparam4x4

Like I've said before, I am a firm believer of Global Warming: It's been going on for millions and millions of years..... It's funny that suddenly we are responsible for the last 75 years of this natural phenomenon. Now since my house is heated by natural gas, I guess I can claim my house is "green" because in a vehicle that is considered an "alternative fuel" right?

Originally Posted by rustyshakelford

global warming is just some hype that the liberal media made up to make the republicans look bad....al boore said it best in the inconvient truth where he took a movie and ruined it by bashing bush on the election.

so dont feel bad, its not real

brett

Originally Posted by curts99

i never knew the planet was millions of years old?

Originally Posted by A_Manke

... But It wont hurt to treat the earth as you would your own home and yard and with the same respect for it.

Originally Posted by A_Manke

Well I think we should not pollute so much, and leave things clean, not throw our garbage all over the place, and recycle more is a good thing.
You cant tell me that when your coming into a big city that the haze you see looming over it is any good. Or all the garbage you see laying all over the ground is pleasant to look at. But to blame the whole global warming thing on us isnt all that true, but I dont think we are helping it out any either. But It wont hurt to treat the earth as you would your own home and yard and with the same respect for it.

Originally Posted by Fronty Owner

Now for the inconvenient truth of global warming.

15000000000000 Watts is the total energy used globablly.
660000000000 Watts is the total energy generated by humans just living.
44000000000000 Watts is the energy released by the earths core.
this brings our total energy conversion to heat to 5.6*10^13 watts (56,000,000,000,000 Watts)
The sun's energy available at our distance is 1400 watt per square meter.
The earths cross sectional area is 1.3*10^14 square meters (130,000,000,000,000 square meters)
This brings the total to 1.8*10^17 watts of energy from the sun.
180,000,000,000,000,000 Watts from the sun
56,000,000,000,000 Watts from everything else.
that means that a 0.63% change in the suns released energy has as much effect as removing ALL other sources of energy from the earth.
that means that a 0.0083% change in the suns released energy has as much effect on the energy level of our little blue green rock as all the energy used.

Total solar out put over the last 33 years has been measured to vary about 0.1% (wikipedia).
so it looks like a 0.1% 11 year change in solar power well out weighs the 0.008 percent energy we convert to heat.

The atmosphere in question is what keeps us on the surface from feeling the full effects of a 0.1% swing in energy. Much of the energy is reflected, but my point remains that if there is a 0.1% swing every cycle, then a minuscule overall gain over the last 100 years cant be ruled out and even a minuscule change would generate the 1/2* C that we are concerning ourselves about.