Oops, meant to post it in the last one, and forgot.

http://www.katc.com/Global/story.asp...9&nav=EyB0NBHX

There are NOT many articles like it, because the media doesn't want to give Bush or his administration ANY credit for such a thing. READ the WHOLE article.

 

Too bad someone didn't stop Hitler before he gained so much momentum. Get the drift?

 

He was just misunderstood.

I'll bet Billery could have got him into a nice rehab program........

 

Finally, someone who understands.

 

Herb, As you can see, I clearly stated that I didn't care about your politics, only that you post in a manner that is combative instead of as part of a "discussion".

I clearly do not agree with many of the statements here, but as long as they are made in a manner that is consistent with a debate, rather than a bar brawl, I leave them up.

Your post was removed only because you can't seem to tell the difference between discussion, and calling some one names. Then claiming you have the right to say anything you want, because you are a Vietnam Vet, only adds to the complete childish nature of your posts.

As far as I am concerned, you are done here.

 

re: Michael Moor's film

If you have seen the film or not, If you agree with the content or not. Michael Moor has achieved his objective with everyone.... He has got you discussing and thinking about the Iraq war and what the US is doing there..............

 

Well well well, Here is another topic that has gone a bit?? Well who knows? Those that have served will understand this next statement more than those who have not. When you serve you follow and do what is asked of you as well as those who are with you, by the leaders you serve under or utter chaos will happen and when that does people get hurt and die. With that said, my first response to Alpines post was and still is this. The leaders of my country the USA whom I may or may not of elected are still the leaders of my country the USA, and I will support them for several reasons, First because my fellow country men and women are over there fighting for me. Second because I live here in this free country which others and I have fought and died for the right to do so (even the ones who want to stand up and say things against the USA). Third I do not want my children and grand children to have to live under a threat of any kind. Fourth well the list could go on and on and on" " " " I will get off my rant now as I am just sick and tired of hearing the negative things about my Country. I just want all to know that I will until the last breath is gone believe in the USA and those that want to say or bring up things about her,or say negative statements about her can just go...... I am finished here Goodluck to all and God Bless the Troops and may God come quickly and take us all home to where there is no fighting.....Rick

 

Yeap and Saddam started his Momentum, His regime executed between 300,000 and one million Iraqis. Rape and torture were national policies. Saddam started a war with Iran in which One million to 1.5 million people died. He loved poison gas and used those on the Iranian soldiers in violation of the Geneva Convention. Don't forget that sick sob invaded Kuwait and seized its oil fields in 91. Saddam supported worldwide terrorism, paying $25,000 to families of Palestinian suicide bombers. Not close to Hitler, but it was a good start!

 

MR ELLIS
i have no quams about having this being public. seems unfair that you deleted my post tho, makes it difficult to have a fair analysis of the issues when both points of view are not public.
i did or said nothing wrong. all i did was said something you did not like or agree with.
as you said, Being a Vietnam vet does not give you the right to be a pain in the behind when you feel like it. (a pain in whose but--- people with different viewpoints?)
as i said i paid my dues in Nam so that i would have the right AND to protect the rights of others with different views to be able to express them.

 

Herb,

Take this somewhere else so we can continue with the discussion please. You can present your opinion all day long, but you will do it within the rules. End of that story...

 

Oops,
Alpine,
Do you think that they will run with this story?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,124576,00.html

 

Found this interesting link on www.thehighroad.org.

Fifty-six Deceits in Fahrenheit 911
http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fift...enheit-911.htm

 

without getting too complex with this, the same can be said of your average Iraqi soldier......... It is the leadership that gives the directions to attack or defend.

 

Jack, Tengu:
Read both articles (in translation) in our newspapers. There was more emphasis on the "fact" or the assumption that these were old materials. (Not made during the embargo times but slipped through the loops when Saddam had to destroy his stuff)
The above is a comment on the perception of the same story in the European media.

Below is a comment about my personal opinion regarding chemical weapons:

I am not surprised that Sarin et al (mustard gas, green ring4 etc) are getting into the hands of terrorists. (And into the hands of insurgents in Iraq) Especially since the breaking apart of the USSR there is a lot to be had on the black market- and that stuff goes around.
Some really interesting reading:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/2949356.stm

It's about how easy it is to produce sarin and to get the base chemicals.
So I think that the world has to get ready to some more nasty forms of terrorism. Kitchen chemical stuff prepared "correctly" = nerve gas. This is a great temptation for everyone who intends to kill very many people at once. The only factors that make chemical weapons expensive are the security measures during production storage and application. Leave them out and nerve gas is much cheaper per killing than even AK47 bullets. (You can do so with fanatics that don't mind biting the dust for a cause)

AlpineRAM

 

Shovelhead, if you read deeper in the histery of the US you will find that that cartoon is very accurate and these claims were made, well maybe not the gun thing.... The same went for ww1 and ww2 and the current situation in Iraq is very close to the claims and accusations that were made while we occupied Europe, incidentally doing the same thing as Iraq, rebuilding the country enough so that the people could live on their own.

I get very bent out of shape at the lack of gratitude that the Europeans give America. And the moron bit is due to the fact that no one with a right mind can accuse the US of being an Imperialest nation. Matter of fact we built up Europe and Japan so well that they now hold economy over our heads.

Europe and Asia best keep in mind with the complaints and the attempting to put America out of business... We go out you all go out. Not something we would do, just works that way, in todays world you cannot maintain without the US in place. You already had that lesson in the '30s, we had a depression, you had starvation and depression.

The only way we all can exist is to use some restraint and work together to put down those who practice evil and kill their people and others. Europe is way out of line not backing us as we always have for them. But of course we would again... and probably will have to again sooner or later.