If you didn't earn it - should it be in a magazine?
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There are some kids like that around here but they work for it. Dad gives them some stock. They breed the stock, show it in the County fair, 4-H and local sales. Once they build enough of a herd and sell enough stock they afford things like that. I'm cool with it. Sure, the original stock comes from their parents/grandparents but they do have to make a go of it. They not only buy expensive trucks and trailers, etc. they also make improvments to their herd. Then theres feed and vet and lots of other things that add to the cost of ownership. Most are respectful but there are a coule that aren't and totally blow it.
Me........my pops used to throw me a 5 dollar bill and warn me not to spend it all on candy and pop.
Me........my pops used to throw me a 5 dollar bill and warn me not to spend it all on candy and pop.
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Chip, you'll always have wealthy people that think blowing hugs wads of cash on their kids is showing them love. They have the money, and it doesn't hurt them.
I think it's bad parenting, but I don't see it as rubbing my face in it. Half the crap these people buy is absurdly ostentatious, and no one with any TASTE would buy it anyway.
I think it's bad parenting, but I don't see it as rubbing my face in it. Half the crap these people buy is absurdly ostentatious, and no one with any TASTE would buy it anyway.
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in the dec. '06 diesel power, the '06 duramax on the cover is owned by a 16 year old kid, given to him as a b-day present by his dad, who owns a casino. if that's not enough, his dad footed the bill for 13" lift (all pieces chromed), 40" tires on 22" wheels, custom paint, custom intrior, alpine/jl system, and custom lighted door sills. i remember when i got that issue in the mail, i thought it was like rubbing it in the face of every hard-working person, who busts their tail to buy/make payments on their truck, and takes pride in the hours they spent in their garage, installing the mods that they probably had to spend a little time saving up for. i had always thought that diesel power was better than that.
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I can't see how a 17 year old kid could 'earn' $31,000. What can someone that age DO to earn that kinda money? Even if they started saving when they were 12, that'd be $7750 a year they'd have to save to accumulate $31k by the time they were 17.
I guess he has the 'right' to give to his off-spring, yes, but what are they learning? I know I learned, first hand, what it's like to struggle to make ends meet, not just see my dad do it. You can have a sense of appreciation when you watch your parents struggle for everything they have, but it's a whole new ballgame when you have been thru that struggle yourself. The appreciation runs a bit deeper then!
I have yet to own a vehicle that cost over $25000. Not because I can't afford it, but because I can't justify it. I DID spend a little over a million bucks in the 80's/90's on my excavation equipment, but that was to make money with, not just ride around in. Nothing wrong with spending big money on a pickup truck tho if that's what you want, I just can't see how pre-20 people can do it without some kinda 'help'.
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I guess he has the 'right' to give to his off-spring, yes, but what are they learning? I know I learned, first hand, what it's like to struggle to make ends meet, not just see my dad do it. You can have a sense of appreciation when you watch your parents struggle for everything they have, but it's a whole new ballgame when you have been thru that struggle yourself. The appreciation runs a bit deeper then!
I have yet to own a vehicle that cost over $25000. Not because I can't afford it, but because I can't justify it. I DID spend a little over a million bucks in the 80's/90's on my excavation equipment, but that was to make money with, not just ride around in. Nothing wrong with spending big money on a pickup truck tho if that's what you want, I just can't see how pre-20 people can do it without some kinda 'help'.
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By a lot I mean when I was 18 I had $10,000 saved up.
I don't see how its possible either...
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Not a rapper just an investor and high level executive. I started in the company as the lowest man on the ladder. I worked 60-70 hours a week (5 day work period) for 8 years to prove to the company I had what it takes. I still work 55-60 a week.
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I highly recommend checking out the book on tape "The Millionaire Next Door"
It discusses this topics with statistical data backing up the idea that buying stuff for your kids just sets them up to fail.
My first car was a '92 Plymouth Champ hatchback with a blown headgasket I bought for $75 bucks. My second car was a $300 Dodge Diplomat, and my third car was $150 Ford Escort. The most my dad did was co-sign a $2000 loan for my 2wd Toyota pickup. I remember how panicked I was about being able to make those payments!
It discusses this topics with statistical data backing up the idea that buying stuff for your kids just sets them up to fail.
My first car was a '92 Plymouth Champ hatchback with a blown headgasket I bought for $75 bucks. My second car was a $300 Dodge Diplomat, and my third car was $150 Ford Escort. The most my dad did was co-sign a $2000 loan for my 2wd Toyota pickup. I remember how panicked I was about being able to make those payments!
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Chip, you'll always have wealthy people that think blowing hugs wads of cash on their kids is showing them love. They have the money, and it doesn't hurt them.
I think it's bad parenting, but I don't see it as rubbing my face in it. Half the crap these people buy is absurdly ostentatious, and no one with any TASTE would buy it anyway.
I think it's bad parenting, but I don't see it as rubbing my face in it. Half the crap these people buy is absurdly ostentatious, and no one with any TASTE would buy it anyway.
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Chip, you'll always have wealthy people that think blowing hugs wads of cash on their kids is showing them love. They have the money, and it doesn't hurt them.
I think it's bad parenting, but I don't see it as rubbing my face in it. Half the crap these people buy is absurdly ostentatious, and no one with any TASTE would buy it anyway.
I think it's bad parenting, but I don't see it as rubbing my face in it. Half the crap these people buy is absurdly ostentatious, and no one with any TASTE would buy it anyway.
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i remember when i got that issue in the mail, i thought it was like rubbing it in the face of every hard-working person, who busts their tail to buy/make payments on their truck, and takes pride in the hours they spent in their garage, installing the mods that they probably had to spend a little time saving up for. i had always thought that diesel power was better than that.
No, the issue here is not about the trucks and the owners of those trucks in magazines. It about the way people raise their children. Work eithics, manners, respectfulness, appreciation, morals, honesty, etc., etc. And the long term effect of those teachings.
Personally, I really don't care who owns all of those BA trucks in the magazines or even TV shows; nor do I care how they got the means to do so. The trucks, or cars, or motocylces, or boats are in magazines and on TV shows so ALL of us can dream and inspire to build; whether we'll ever have the means or not.
It is truely sad though when I see people not appreciate what they have, whether it's a $40K vehicle or even a $10K vehicle. That's the real slap in the face. Someone who doesn't appreciate hard work, whether it was hard work to "buy" something or hard work 'building" something. Yeah, that's the real slap in the face. When those people abuse what they have. It was "given" to them. It wasn't "eranned". So they just don't value it. Yep, a slap in the face for all of us who eranned what we have. I hate abuse.......
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I really don't think this is the issue at hand. The magazine is "slapping faces of every hard-waorking person"???? Come on. Just because one of the featured trucks is owned by a kid. Give me a break. Every issue of every "automotive" magazine features some kind of big time built, no holds bar, blank check, over the top vehicle that is owned and built by either a performance supplier, aftermarket shop, race team, someone who has a bank full of cash, the magazine it self or even an "Automotive" TV show. So if the feature is on Robby Gordon's MILLION DOLLAR (plus) 2008 Baja 1000 Trophy Truck or his MILLION DOLLAR (plus) 2008 Parris to Dakar Unlimited Truck; ALL of us hard-working folks are being slapped in the face. I know I could NEVER afford to own, much less operate a truck like Gordon's. Heck, I'll even scale down a bit to what Diesel Power did last year. They went out and picked up 5 or 6 cold air intake systems for a testing. Is that a slap in my face since I can't afford to buy all of those intakes just to figure out which one I was gonna stick with? How about Extreme 4x4 or Trucks! or Hot Rod TV? Those guys all build some wickly fast, awesome looking vehicles. A slap to our faces??????
No, the issue here is not about the trucks and the owners of those trucks in magazines. It about the way people raise their children. Work eithics, manners, respectfulness, appreciation, morals, honesty, etc., etc. And the long term effect of those teachings.
Personally, I really don't care who owns all of those BA trucks in the magazines or even TV shows; nor do I care how they got the means to do so. The trucks, or cars, or motocylces, or boats are in magazines and on TV shows so ALL of us can dream and inspire to build; whether we'll ever have the means or not.
It is truely sad though when I see people not appreciate what they have, whether it's a $40K vehicle or even a $10K vehicle. That's the real slap in the face. Someone who doesn't appreciate hard work, whether it was hard work to "buy" something or hard work 'building" something. Yeah, that's the real slap in the face. When those people abuse what they have. It was "given" to them. It wasn't "eranned". So they just don't value it. Yep, a slap in the face for all of us who eranned what we have. I hate abuse.......
No, the issue here is not about the trucks and the owners of those trucks in magazines. It about the way people raise their children. Work eithics, manners, respectfulness, appreciation, morals, honesty, etc., etc. And the long term effect of those teachings.
Personally, I really don't care who owns all of those BA trucks in the magazines or even TV shows; nor do I care how they got the means to do so. The trucks, or cars, or motocylces, or boats are in magazines and on TV shows so ALL of us can dream and inspire to build; whether we'll ever have the means or not.
It is truely sad though when I see people not appreciate what they have, whether it's a $40K vehicle or even a $10K vehicle. That's the real slap in the face. Someone who doesn't appreciate hard work, whether it was hard work to "buy" something or hard work 'building" something. Yeah, that's the real slap in the face. When those people abuse what they have. It was "given" to them. It wasn't "eranned". So they just don't value it. Yep, a slap in the face for all of us who eranned what we have. I hate abuse.......
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My opinion is that yeah if you are going to have a vehicle of any kind when you are younger you should have some vested interest in it. My sister if 5 years older than me and my parents got her her first car which was a really nice 1990 Camry (less than a year old at the time). They paid for the entire car for her. She wasn't responsible for any kind of maintenance on the car nor did she have to do any of the work on her car. That was designated for me (the family gear head) while supervised by my dad. Nearly 3 year later she DESTROYED the engine by not paying attention to the OIL check engine light while in college. When I was getting close to the of age to get a vehicle of some sort (13.5-14) my parents flat out told me that they were not going to help (due to my sisters negligence of her own car) and that I better start saving my money if I wanted a car or truck. At this point in my life I had also joined into the family business of registered show cattle and used the money from my first 2 cows (Christmas present from my grandmother) to buy more cows and start my own small heard. When I was 14 I purchased a 1981 F-100 from a guy that had just fully restored it for his wife but she developed a muscular problem and could not work the clutch anymore. I was very lucky and got it for a LOW $1500 of my own cash. Now it was a great starter truck, but hey im a young kid that makes great money selling and showing registered show cattle and wanted something more. I had always had a fascination with Corvettes (THE OLD STINGRAYS). When I was 15 it wasn't a Stingray but it was an 82 Vette that I got from a cop at a smoking deal of $5000. Now I was 15 and had TWO GREAT vehicles that I purchased and maintained with my own money. A year later I purchased a Chevy 3500 WESTERN HAULER conversion to hall my cattle around to shows and to go to rodeos in. I then sold my 82 Vette and purchased a 1969 Mustang MACH 1 with a 428 Cobra Jet. Again another amazing find from an old man in San Antonio that had the car and didnt want it to keep wasting away and let it go for a mere $5500. Eight months later I traded it and my old 81 F-100 for another Corvette. This time it was a 1968 model, which I still have. By this time it was the end of my Jr. year in high school, yeah it was only my JR YEAR. Well now my dad was wanting to sell one of the old ranch trucks which I had always loved and was one of the first truck i ever drove extensively. It was an 86 F-250 with a 6.9 Diesel. It was in great shape and I drove it all the time for the fact that it actually got A LOT better mileage than my 96 Western Hauler (with a 454). Now when I went to college I got rid of the Chevy 3500 (Too big for campus-sold it to parents) and unfortunately after nearly a year the old 6.9 F-250 gave up the ghost and died on me(internal failures at 600,000+ miles) , repairs were too costly. Well i then went and purchased a 1999 Chevy Z-71 and dumped a ton of $$$$$ lifting it and making BIG HP out of a 350 Vortec. After all the mods had been done one of my cousin that worked as a pipe line welder introduced me to his 2001 Dodge Cummins, and a really simple way to get a lot of power by just adding a chip. That was A LOT easier than all I had to do to my gassers to get that kind of HP gains. Well now I was 20 and a full time student at Texas A&M and also working anywhere between 30 and 60 hours for an oil tools company making $25 an hour. Lucky for me the oil industry is the other family business and getting that job wasn't too hard, it was a lot harder to keep it once I had it than it was to get it. So, after 8 months of driving this highly modified Z-71 I sell it to a KID (15 years old) for a TON of money. With what he paid IM SURE IT WAS MOM AND DADS MONEY, but hey who am I to judge. Then I went and got me an 01 2500 4x4 Dodge with a Cummins. Soon after that I started to work for a diesel performance company doing R&D for them and my 01 becomes an 800 HP daily driver. I had that truck for 3 years and then was hit by a drunk driver at 75 MPH , which DESTROYED my FAVORITE truck I EVER owned. It took me 3 and a half months to fix it but it wasnt ever the same. Nine months after I repaired it I traded it in on my 2003 Dodge 3500 Quad Cab Dually 4x4 with a Cummins (of course) this is was in EARLY 2004. Now 3.5 years later it has gone through A TON of changes and again after doing dome R&D for a diesel performance company (in late 2004) and many other mods I have a 700 HP daily driver on 22.5s and 40 inch drive tires that turns out AMAZING times at the track. The reason I have wrote pretty much a life story is to help people understand that with A LOT of HARD work and ingenuity(and some luck on good deals) you can start with an 81 F-100 and a couple of cows and turn it into a classic 1968 Corvette and an AWESOME 2003 Dodge dually, along with your own performance shop to continue your love of chasing BIG HORSEPOWER. And it only took 10 years total.
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Well, I guess it all depends on the parents' baseline. To someone a $500k house is expensive, to another it's cheap. To someone a new Mustang is a "cheap first car" for their daughter or son, but to another it's just the opposite. Who knows, the kid with the new truck may end up a millionaire someday if he's already starting out at this point. On the other hands, I've seen kids who get all these expensive toys as a teen end up dropping out of college even though they were excellent students in high school.
The bottom line is, it's an unfair world. You got bums begging for a dollar and no one gives them anything. You also got people so rich like Richard Branson who make $100,000 an hour just on interest alone. I've come to the conclusion, you have to work hard to make money. I know my kid ain't getting squat. Maybe it's better I don't have kids at all. The world is a messed up place and is only getting worse. I think in 20 years my truck will just be something to look at.
The bottom line is, it's an unfair world. You got bums begging for a dollar and no one gives them anything. You also got people so rich like Richard Branson who make $100,000 an hour just on interest alone. I've come to the conclusion, you have to work hard to make money. I know my kid ain't getting squat. Maybe it's better I don't have kids at all. The world is a messed up place and is only getting worse. I think in 20 years my truck will just be something to look at.
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I have "owned" the truck in my sig. since I was 16(month before i turned 17). A lot of people who don't know me or my family always claim that my parents bought it for me which always ticks me off. My dad runs a 400 acre farm and after the beater car my parents let me drive gave up, i was looking for a nice truck naturally diesel since i need power for pulling, and reliable. I had been dreaming of buying one for years and had saved up 5 grand, and one day my grandpa offers to give me 10 grand(wanted to see me enjoy my inheritance) for a vehicle he approved of.
After a few months i found my truck 5 miles away from our farm for sale 15 grand, my grandpa realized it was just like his but older and thought it was a good decision. I have put about 20,000 miles in 2yrs, with 15,000 working for my dad. Technically i did not pay every penny, but all maintenance(VP-LP), fuel, extra goodies, are paid by ME.
After a few months i found my truck 5 miles away from our farm for sale 15 grand, my grandpa realized it was just like his but older and thought it was a good decision. I have put about 20,000 miles in 2yrs, with 15,000 working for my dad. Technically i did not pay every penny, but all maintenance(VP-LP), fuel, extra goodies, are paid by ME.