phox_mulder

Why would "my" Bible say anything different than "your" Bible?
If the Bible is indeed the "Word of God" it should read the same.

Did a quick search of online Bible References (as I don't have a Bible handy here at work) and found a different word for word translation on each site.
Some said "Scribes" some said "Teachers of the Law"
Both claiming to be the "New King James Version"

Define "righteousness"?

My definition is "leading a good life" no more, no less.

I'll let you know if my belief is true or not,
but only if the "powers that be" allow me to haunt someone after my untimely death.



phox

bdramsey

nearest I can understand, this was ok because it was before God laid down the law and the 10 commandments. Even with Cain, God asked him where was Abel at. Who knows what the outcome would have been if Cain had not lied to God.

This was the only reference to attempted human sacrifice in God's name (notice I did not say a god's name). In the old testament God had a different approach in the manner that he spoke to men. Amazingly this manner of communication disappeared after Saul was blinded on the road. For what reason I do not know. But it changed.

bdramsey

Everyone that has posted in this thread has definiatly had some intersting talking points. It looks like everything that could possibly be discussed has been discussed. Let's see:

1. Life after death
2. Ways to get to heaven
3. Belief in hell
4. Types of religion

Looks like we have the manner of worship left.....anyone care to comment on that?

smiller

I am not at all put off by Christian beliefs, only the fundamentalist mentality that believes that there can be no question that their faith is not only absolutely correct and true for themselves, but all other human beings on earth as well. As far as 'civilized' discussions go...
If you consider this comment (and the many comments like them denigrating other religions and proclaiming them false) as properly 'civil' while my taking offense to this as somehow unacceptable then we do indeed have a disagreement on what constitutes civilized behavior.

No, I have nothing against mainstream Christianity as my understanding is that it (like many other religions) teaches love and acceptance of your fellow man. I'm not yet sure that all Christians really believe that God's nature of giving love and acceptance (at any time) is preconditioned by all the regulations stated in this thread.

Are there no Christians reading this thread who want to speak up and say that they are perhaps just a little uncomfortable with some of the intolerance demonstrated by some of the comments posted here, or do these thoughts really represent what every Christian believes?

phox_mulder

By George, someone gets it.

It seems the most vocal of the so called Christians are themselves acting the most un Christ like.

A ferinstance if you will.

LDS General Conference is going on this weekend in Salt Lake City.
As I get off light rail to go to work today, I am confronted by two "gentleman"yes, I use that term very, very loosely holding large signs calling the "Mormons" idiots for believing in their chosen religion.
These men are yelling yes, yelling at the top of their lungs that the Mormons need to find Christ and become "real" Christians just like them.

Thank you no, if these gentlemen are examples of true "Christians" then I'll pass.

Love your fellow man: Unless he/she has different opinions than you.
Love your fellow man: Unless he/she doesn't go to church every Sunday.
Love your fellow man: Unless he/she hasn't read the Bible from cover to cover.

Intolerance: The new Christianity.


phox

wannadiesel

smiller - What intolerance? Not one of the posters has questioned anybody's right to believe differently than they do. Questions have been asked of people, and they have answered with the truth as they see it.

edit:
phox- I haven't seen any behavior of that sort in this thread. I don't think it's fair to compare the posters in this thread to the morons in the train station. I think the zealots in the train station are closer to the animals in Iraq who are beheading the "infidels".

What is so offensive about a fellow who believes that you are going to hell and will tell you how he believes you can avoid it if you ask him? If you don't believe you are going to hell, how have you been harmed? Remember how this thread evolved, questions were asked, and people have answered to the best of their ability.

Commatoze

Sorry smiller, I've been real busy since getting home from the Saturday cult meeting that some may refer to as Holy Mass. You know....if I've learned one thing from this thread, it's I now know why maybe the Muslims hate us so......
Man!...the self-righteousness.....

phox_mulder

I wasn't trying to compare.
I was just submitting an example of intolerance.
I hold 99% of the members here in high regard.

Some of the posts have been, what's the word I'm looking for,
"you're wrong and surely going to hell, because you believe differently than I".

I'm sure most of them weren't intended to be read like that,
but obviously there are members that are reading them like that.

Yes, there are zealots in every religion.


phox

wannadiesel

Islam - now there's a religion where they won't yell at you in a train station if you don't believe in it. Some of 'em might cut your head off though...

"There is no God but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet." Yep, they're way more open minded over there than Mexstan and bdramsey.

edit: Dang it phox, you post too quick! This one was supposed to be after Tom's.

smiller

And please one more note so that I am not misunderstood... please do not interpret any of my more sarcastic comments as a ridicule of the Christian faith as that was certainly not my intention, they were aimed only at some of the boorish and comments contained in some of the posts. I have many Christian friends and their description of their faith (one of pure love and acceptance of man's faults) does not at all match what I've read here. I don't know for sure but I think many of these comments would make them sad.

phox_mulder

I also tend to wax sarcastic just a wee bit as well.
I'm sure there was a twinge of that in my posts.

As I stated much earlier in the thread, I was born and raised Christian.
Believe it or not, the LDS religion is a Christian religion.
I grew tired of the hypocrasy and intolerence and stopped practicing.
There is some of that resentment in my posts as well.

I do believe I still am as good a person as I was before, if not better, in spite of religion.

Give it another 50 years or so, and we'll see if this Heaven or Hell exist or not.

If we're driving Cummins in the hereafter, it must be Heaven.
If we have blue ovals on our grills, then Hell it must be.


phox

wannadiesel

What is offensive about that statement? Obviously when yelled at people in a train station it's uncalled for. When you ask a man about his faith and he tells you, if you are offended by it I think you're the one with the problem. Remember, the guys who posted were asked, they didn't hijack a thread about gauges.

wannadiesel

No sarcasm here, obviously.

phox_mulder

Actually, the thread was hijacked.

It started out as "biblical references" and has become a lively discussion about religion.

I don't believe I said it was offensive, just how I and possibly a few others were interpretting a few of the posts.

The question that turned the thread was "How do I know which religion is the right one?" or words to that effect.

Some of what's been posted hasn't quite been an answer to that question.

It has been an interesting discussion thus far,
and I hope it stays that way, someone could learn a lot from what's been said so far.


phox

smiller

Hey, no one ever said anything about that! I guess I'd better convert pronto...