smiller

If a person's faith is great and it helps the feel fulfilled then that's fine, but a strong faith doesn't make something absolutely and ultimately true, except to the believer perhaps. How does having a strong faith make anything true? Muslims have a very strong faith too, does that add credibility to their beliefs?

And I didn't say that you 'can't tell anyone else', that was not in my post. You may profess your faith to anyone and everyone you choose... I was just saying that having the strongest faith in the world doesn't necessarily make your particular belief the only absolute and correct truth.

Hoss

Smiller, you are correct in saying that having a strong faith does not make something an absolute truth. It is certainly true that a person can have the strongest faith in the world about something and be absolutely wrong. However, there IS an absolute truth.

I've seen lots of opinions posted in this thread...some of which I find very sad and disturbing. Think of it this way....it's possible for us all to be wrong....but it's impossible for us all to be right. There is an absolute truth...and that truth can be found by opening your heart to God's word.

DPG

What Hoss said. There is an absolute truth, and what anybody believes about anything doesn't change that. Can't change that.

smiller

Merely believing in something doesn't make it true, and simply claiming over and over again that your own personal belief is infallible doesn't change that. Can't change that.

But I do agree with Hoss in that I've also found several posts in this thread to be pretty sad and disturbing.

Hoss

True...but NOT believing doesn't make it false either.....and simply denying over and over again that what you WANT to be false is NOT false doesn't change the fact that it just might be true.

Just remember....ignorance is no longer an excuse once you've been educated. "Every knee will bow".....and with that....I bow out. I have avoided this debate thus far and I don't care to get into it now. If anyone wants further discussion with me then feel free to PM or e-mail me.

Y'all take care and God bless.

t-15 firefighter

Agreed……






Disagree…. Contrary to what you believe, homosexuality is NOT a choice no more than it is a choice for you to be heterosexual. I ask you once again: When did you get to choose to be a heterosexual???? At what point and time? I never got to choose. I have always liked females. If it is a choice that homosexuals make then it has to be a choice that heterosexuals make also. This seems VERY simple and straightforward.






Disagree…. I don’t remember calling you a liar as you have done in this quote. It IS a PROVEN FACT. It can be PROVED over and over again. Did you know that the human species is not the only species with homosexuality in it?

Here is a quote:

National Geographic special, "The New Chimpanzees" which aired September 6, 1995 - "Diverse and frequent hetero- and homosexual contact occurs among the animals. . . . Not only does homosexual behavior exist in nearly every species of every order of animal known to science (a fact demonstrated repeatedly by uncounted studies beginning with Konrad Lorenz, the father of modern zoology) but as one ascends the evolutionary ladder from less sophisticated creatures to hominids, homosexual activity increases in frequency."


Just because you choose to ignore the FACTS does not make it untrue.




I also resent this accusationI have masters in biology so I have a pretty good idea of what I’m talking about.
I could give you countless examples of proof but would you believe them? Even if it was the most infallible proof you would not believe it.








AGREED!!!!!





According to your belief. Not mine. You can never make me believe that someone that hasn’t had a chance to learn about Christianity is going to this so called hell.





Justin,

You started off strong in this post. You brought up some really good points, some that I haven’t considered. Your post was well thought out and very detailed. I know that you and I differ in our beliefs and probably always will.
The ending of the post left something to be desired though.

Britt

smiller

Man, I don't blame you for wanting to bow out of this one . But... regarding your comment above and the ones like it, when one asserts that something is true is is not a valid argument to simply say that it can't be proven false... that is a fundamental logical fallicy. Everyone keeps accusing me of claiming something is false and asking me to prove it, but I am not claiming that anything is false, just that it can't be proven. You, however, are claiming that it is indisputably true. Big difference there. The burden of proving something true is always on the person making the assertion, not on everyone else to try to prove it false.

Looks like we agree again! Although it seems that a lot of people here must have been in bible class and thought that they were in science class, 'cause they sure seem to have the two confused.

Anyway, I'm outta here too. Everyone have a good life, afterlife, or whatever...

phox_mulder

Mormon is the name of the prophet who wrote the first chapter.


phox

phox_mulder

To an outsider, it does very much look like a cult.
The adage, "if it walks like a cult, quacks like a cult, it must be a cult" pretty much fits.

Yes, there are some strange traditions and rituals,
but don't all organized religions have traditions and rituals that to an outsider would appear quite odd?

Excommunicated folk aren't the best sources of information.
They're not going to have anything good to say about the group that booted them.
They are also known to exaggerate some facts, if not out and out making them up.
Talk to excommunicated members of any religion, and you'll hear much of the same talk.

The Salamander Letter was proven to be one of may forgeries penned by Mark Hoffman, who confessed to forging hundreds of documents twisting the history and traditions of the LDS Church.


phox

bdramsey

So the first book is'nt Genesis? Or is it the Mormon version of the Hebrew Genesis?


I figure since there is so much discord, I figure we might as well try to learn somthing about the other beliefs. Instead of this being a controversial thread, then I for one would like to be educated. Just because I disagree does'nt mean that I can't learn what other's believe.

Thanks Phox I only knew one man who was Mormon, and he never talked about his beliefs.

phox_mulder

LDS still have your basic Old and New Testament.
They also have the Book of Mormon, Doctorine and Covenents and Pearl of Great Price.
This is often referred to as the triple combination.

Book of Mormon is a record of what Jesus did after he was crucified and ressurected.
He visited the indigenous people of the New World, that being South and North America, and taught the same stuff he taught the Old World while he was alive the first time.
It is commonly believed that the Mayan were the indegenous folk.
Symbols and stories found in the Mayan ruins have been found that refer to a "being" that visited many moons ago and taught them.

Doctorine and Covenents and PofGP were written by Jo Smith and the leaders of the day back then.


phox

bdramsey

That does kinda make sense, since there is alot of beliefs that were in south/central america, and even here in north america. I have wondered where they came up with thier belief.
After the tower of Babel, there really is'nt anything mentioned about what led the other countries to believe in a diety. These other folks knew of a diety, but I wondered where they got the info.
Did Jesus goto these other places after his crucifixion? The book of Mormon says so, but I don't recall any mention of this in the Bible as we know it today.
I do think that there are possibly other books that were written, but alot of the New Testament consists of letters that were archived. Could there be more out there? Possibly. But then again who was responsible for deciding what the contents of the Bible as we know it today? I know that the Catholic Bible contains additional books that the Christian Bible does'nt contain. I don't remember what they are. Hmmm. Things that make ya think........

dieselminded

If I may ask a stupid question.....................

Why did god allow the serpant in the garden of eden in the first place??

With out it their would'nt of been no temptation and it'd still be heaven on earth.

myk00l

God created Lucifer a perfect, sinless angel. Lucifer made a devil of himself. Freedom to choose is a cornerstone principle of God's government. God knew Lucifer would sin when He created him. If at that point God had refused to create him, He would have been repudiating that prime principle of free choice.
So, knowing full well what Lucifer would do, God still created him. The same facts apply to the creation of Adam and Eve. And, closer to home, these facts apply to you and me. God knows before we are born how we will live, but even so, He permits us to live and choose whether to endorse His government or Satan's. God is willing to be misunderstood and falsely accused and blamed for ages, while taking the time to allow every person to freely choose whom he will follow.

phox_mulder

If there wouldn't have been the serpent, Adam and Eve would have never "got it on" and we wouldn't exist.

Heaven on earth, but no one to enjoy it.


phox