DavidTD

Gary Gates --------------- 01 Dodge ----- 399.8 / 901.7
Kirk Brown -------------- 00 Dodge ----- 509.3 / 962.7
Justin Williams --------- 04 Dodge ----- 462.2 / 844.1
Brian Block ------------- 89 Dodge ----- 485.2 / 1027.5
Glen Stoner -------------- 95 Ford ------- 447.6 / 893.2
Jesse White -------------- 97 Dodge ----- 321.3 / 793.8
Adam Howe ------------- 03 Chevy ----- 238.6 / 440.4
John Wind --------------- 03 Dodge ----- 439.9 / 857.0
Dodd Sorren ------------- 97 Dodge ----- 374.3 / 732.2
Ryon Layer -------------- 02 Dodge ----- 205.5 / 436.6
Matt Malloch ------------ 03 Ford ------- 398.1 / 746.7
Greg Adams ------------- 01 Dodge ----- 488.4 / 1040.8
Kyle Banks -------------- 02 Chevy ----- 502.5 / No Tq
Zach Dalias -------------- 01 Dodge ----- 433.3 / 970.7
John Miller -------------- 98 Dodge ----- 347.1 / No Tq
Clayton King ------------ 99 Ford ------- 277. / 595.1
Alan Harris -------------- 93 Ford ------- 373.0 / 831.0
Justin Johmeyer --------- 98 Dodge ----- 406.1 / 819.4
Bill Gilbert --------------- 89 Dodge ----- 242.6 / 583.2
John Embay -------------- 04 Chevy ----- 386.3 / 719.1
Roger Jenkins ------------ 96 Dodge ----- 242.0 / 598.2
Mike Power -------------- 01 Dodge ----- 383.3 / 815.5
Josh Goon ---------------- 98 Dodge ----- 405.4 / 558.1
Jarrod Sunderman ------- 97 Ford ------- 297.2 / 600.1
Chris Hendershot -------- 99 Ford ------- 334.0 / 706.2
Garry Woodward -------- 04 Dodge ----- 418.7 / 837.7
Dexter Johnson ---------- 03 Chevy ----- 392.4 / 760.4
Keith Livingstone ------- 04 Dodge ----- 463.1 / 867.3
Jon Swartzentruber ------ ?? Chevy ----- 478.8 / 958.8
Eric Johnson ------------- ?? Dodge ------ 437.1 / 856.1
Darrel Blank ------------- ?? Dodge ----- 447.0 / 964.5
Mike Rice ---------------- ?? Ford ------- 296.8 / 642.9
Chad Hyland ------------- ?? Chevy ----- 386.2 / 771.6
Allen Rehm -------------- ?? Ford ------- 266.7 / 561.1
Fred Huber --------------- ?? Dodge ----- 585.2 / 1105.2
Steve Urban -------------- ?? Dodge ----- 319.6 / 642.9
Lee Lyons ---------------- ?? Dodge ----- 398.0 / 780.8
John Marron ------------- ?? Ford ------- 178.7 / 228.5
Lance DeDecker -------- ?? Dodge ----- 433.7 / 911.1
Rodney Gvillo ---------- ?? Dodge ----- 376.0 / 601.7
Wally Hekter ------------ ?? Dodge ----- 357.1 / 808.1
Johnner Porterfield ----- 04 Dodge ----- 556.5 / 991.7
Brandon Carmicle ------ ?? Dodge ----- 492.2 / 863.2
Terry Auten ------------- ?? Dodge ----- 284.4 / 682.9
Rick Wallace ------------ 98 Dodge ----- 637.2 / 1134.2
Bobby Dawns ----------- ?? Dodge ----- 509.2 / 1177.6
Steve Chamblin --------- ?? Dodge ----- 491.4 / 945.0
Jimmy Smith ------------ ?? Dodge ----- 474.2 / 860.1
Brad Smits --------------- ?? Dodge ----- 443.0 / 749.9
Wayne Beil -------------- ?? Chevy ----- 410.2 / 811.8
Buck Sawyer ------------ 02 Dodge ----- 462.1 / 926.3
Tim Driscol ------------- 02 Dodge ----- 449.4 / 815.1
Tim Driscol ------------- 82 GMC ------- 308.0 / 428.2
Darren Morrison ------- 97 Dodge ----- 605.3 / 1154.0
James Chambers ------- 03 Chevy ----- 396.1 / 744.5
Nick York --------------- 01 Dodge ----- 507.5 / 935.5
Jim Sandula ------------- 01 Dodge ----- 393.3 / 901.3
Jason Linng ------------- 94 Dodge ----- 467.7 / 877.2
Chad Flynn -------------- 04 Ford ------- 447.7 / 853.4
Elijah Demint ----------- 03 Chevy ----- 303.6 / 345.8
Kevin Farris ------------- 97 Dodge ----- 374.5 / 809.0
Roger Walka ------------ 97 Dodge ----- 306.0 / 712.2
Jim Kidder --------------- 98 Dodge ----- 312.8 / 701.6
Jason Hill ---------------- 02 Chevy ----- 395.6 / 753.5
Parker Branch ----------- 02 Chevy ----- 600.6 / 1118.7

John_P

David:

Thanks for posting the dyno numbers from the Scheid Rally!

I want to sincerely thank you and your entire crew for being
there! I think we all learned some things about the way the
two dynos (Mustang vs Dynojet) measure H.P. and torque.
It was a pleasure working with you guys and comparing
the numbers on "stock vs BOMBED" trucks. The numbers
on the Scheid Dyno have been posted by Dawn on their
website (www.scheiddiesel.com) under "Extravaganza,
Dyno Numbers". (Thanks Dawn!)

Thanks again for everything David! It was great to see
you guys again.

---------
John_P

DavidTD

John it was a pleasure as always to see you and Johnner. And Dan and crew are just a class act.

Cummnzpowr

WAIT..no 1000hp trucks? what happened

Lil Dog

Ooooh boy.. Here we go..

m batterson

we were supposed to have a 900 HP truck come over saturday.heck,we even said we would refund his money if the truck actually hit 900.for some reason ,it never showed.maybe he couldn't find our dyno.we'll have to ask schieds for a spot that is more out in the open next year .one of these days,one of these guys that likes to shoot off his mouth will actually back it up,i'm not holding my breath.

mike

PourinDiesel

The 1500hp truck was busy yankin' the sled 387'@ about 30mph.

Don M

It would be nice to that rig on the Dyno Justin. Use your charm to get them onto the dyno next go round. I cant imagine the crowd that would gather for that one.

Don~

banshee

Why should they? They're already slammed trying to keep up with the demand of people wanting their dominat pulling engines... LOL.

PourinDiesel

Truthfully Don,
That truck could not be loaded properly to spool on a Dynojet or even a Mustang.
Unless maybe they could lock the wheels on somehow and provide a 70k lb load.
But, this is just my opinion.

Engine dyno would probably be more appropriate for that type of thing.
I dont think they put Prostock or Superstock tractors on wheel dynos, do to the shock power increase once the turbos get lit, it would get downright dangerous.

Yeah, its no longer 1000hp, its more like 1500hp.
Its comparible to a Superstock or Prostock Diesel pulling tractor engine in a pickup truck. (for those of you that know about competition pulling tractors)

--Justin

Don M

I dont know everything about pulling tractors thats for certain, but I am learning slowly. The John Deere puller I worked with this summer made a nice improvement with some camshaft and injectors I threw in. It engine dynoed in the 1100 HP range @ 2600 rpm. We got it up to 1350 now. 2600 ft lbs too!!

The Scheid truck could dyno on a DynoJet. I have seen 1200 HP on one in person. No tire slippage and no troubles.

Don~

PourinDiesel

Don,
Did the engine dyno load the engine so it could create that 1100HP?
How about the 1350/2600?

I have seen a 1000+hp run on a jet.
But that vehicle had no where near the torque a Scheid or equivalent engine would have. Besides the turbos the vehicle in question ran were small and could spool on a jet.

We have engine dyno's here at work, and we dont get our torque and power numbers without a load.

--Justin

djp9747

Okay, I'm confused cause I looked at the dyno number from the Scheid web site on both the Mustand and DynoJet dyno's. I'm going to show my dyno ignorance here, but what is the difference between the Mustang and DynoJet dyno's? Why is there such a high discrepency in the two. Case in point, I went through both lists and found all people that dyno'd both days with the same truck. There are huge descrepencies between the two

John Porterfield Mustang Dyno Run
John Porterfield Jr. 04 dodge 488 1166
John Porterfield Jr. 04 dodge 471 1175

John Porterfield DynoJet Dyno Run
John Porterfield Jr. 04 Dodge 556.5 991.7

Fred Humber Mustang Run
Fred Huber 02 Dodge 468 1186

Fred Huber DynoJet Dyno Run
Fred Huber ?? Dodge 585.2 1105.2


Kyle Banks Mustang Dyno Run
Kyle Bank 02 Chevy 424 1267
Kyle Bank 02 Chevy 447 1335

Kyle Banks DynoJet Dyno Run
Kyle Banks 02 Chevy 502.5 No Tq


Eric Johnson Mustang Dyno Run
Eric Johnson 01 Dodge 365 1034
Eric Johnson 01 Dodge 398 1084

Eric Johnson DynoJet Dyno Run
Eric Johnson ?? Dodge 437.1 856.1


Glen Stoner Mustang Dyno Run
Glen Stoner 95 Ford 382 1086
Glen Stoner 95 Ford 378 1106

Glen Stoner DynoJet Dyno Run
Glen Stoner 95 Ford 447.6 893.2

I was only able to find 2 instances where the same people with the same truck dyno'd close on each dyno

John Wind Mustang Dyno Run
John Wind 03 Dodge 441 1195
John Wind 03 Dodge 452 1134
John Wind 03 Dodge 447 1153

John Wind DynoJet Dyno Run
John Wind 03 Dodge 439.9 857

Zach Dallas Mustang Dyno Run
Zach Dallas 01 Dodge 428 1142

Zach Dallas DynoJet Dyno Run
Zach Dallas 01 Dodge 433.3 970.7


So 5 people with the same trucks dyno different #'s on two different dynos. Why the big disecrepency.

I find it funny that using Mustang Dyno, that the highest truck that ran only put out 488 HP (John Porterfields 04 Dodge), while the very next day on the DynoJet, there were 12 trucks that put out more HP than the highest rated truck on the Mustang, with the highest rated truck going to Rick Wallace's 98 Dodge at 637 HP

Doesn't the DynoJet #'s seem off to anyone else?

djp9747

Also, were there any stock 600 CTD trucks there that dyno'd? What numbers did they pull down?

DavidTD

I knew this one would come up, just wondering why it took so long.

The Mustang MD-250 was limited to 500hp from tha factory. While the software was upgraded to allow 1000hp, we found out that the rollers could not hold it. Add to that the torque of the diesels and you see that the tires just slipped.

The torque numbers were always higher on the Mustang vs the Dyno Jet. I guess I feel the Mustang was a bit optimistic since a new stock Excursion made 600 TQ on the Mustang and just under 500 on the dynojet (483 I think).

There will always be a debate on loading vs non loading. From what I have seen a Dyno Jet in most cases is the most accurate dyno. This because it relies on a very simple method of measuring HP. Does this mean the Dyno Jet will ALWAYS be right? Of course not. Very large, or turbo's that don't respond well make life difficult for me. But in most cases, I can make them work.

My question is why do you suspect the Dyno Jet #'s as the ones being off? In most cases with our LD pickup diesel engines, they make about 50% of the torque in HP. 235/460, 325/600, 180/420 etc. Why would there be a drastic change at the rear tires? I would be suspect if I had a 300hp engine that made 1000+ foot pounds of torque.