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Old 09-14-2005 | 08:08 PM
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Need help with Tire balance questions

Past 2 weeks I have had 4 new tires put on my truck. They are Remington wide brute RV 275 -70-17. They are slightly oversized i guess. I also was unaware that they were load range C tires until after they had been installed. I was told they were similar to the stock goodyears the truck had before this.

I immediately felt a bad vibration after getting the truck back and was told by a family member that it was the balance if it occured around 55 mph. I brought the truck back and they rebalanced the fronts and it felt worse than ever. I just brought it back in this morning and they did a road force balance and ended up replacing 3 of the tires for new ones and it feels about 50 percent better. They felt like it was 80 percent better but I disagree. He says to let him know right away if I am dissatiasfied and he will set me up with a different brand with a price difference for the upgrade of course because they get the best deal on the Remington's according to them.


Are these Remington's junk tires? or is the load rating C not good enough for these trucks? I noticed (2) 50g weights side by side and (1) 71g weight on the inside about 90 degrees from the outside weights on one front tire. That looks like alot of weights added to one tire and the front seems to still be problematic because I get a some steering wheel vibration.

Any suggestions? Ditch the Remington's and hope not to get hosed on the upgrade?
Old 09-14-2005 | 08:17 PM
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if they are putting weight side by side i think they dont no how to balance or you have a wheel out of wak did you have many weights on before
Old 09-14-2005 | 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DODGE 92
if they are putting weight side by side i think they dont no how to balance or you have a wheel out of wak did you have many weights on before

No, the factory balance had very small weights and they seemed to be matched to the inside if I recall. I am going to take a test drive on a new stretch of road in a few minutes and see how it reacts.
Old 09-14-2005 | 08:21 PM
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or is the load rating C not good enough for these trucks?
They come with E rated tires.
I have D's on mine now, but never again.

I would get rid of those C's before they kill you, literally,
especially if you tow anything.

Check the weight rating, then figure the front end of your truck weighs 4,000 lbs at least.


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Old 09-14-2005 | 08:32 PM
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Get rid of the load C tires and get the correct load range for the truck. Get a set of quality load range E's and you will have less balance issues. There is going to be a significant increase in price over the remingtons With a C rating. IMO I would put on Michelins. They have very few balance issues, and you will get good wear out of them,compared to less expensive brands. No I don't have any connection with Michelin,only 20+ years with tire/balance experience.
Old 09-14-2005 | 08:58 PM
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No, the factory balance had very small weights and they seemed to be matched to the inside if I recall. I am going to take a test drive on a new stretch of road in a few minutes and see how it reacts.
sorry i did not see they were c rating dam thats only 6 ply get at least 10 ply the guy that sold you that wants you dead that i think 6 ply load rating is undr 1800lbs per tire that front end alone weight more than that dam get some 10 ply (e rating ) before you kill yourself that sellman is
Old 09-14-2005 | 09:43 PM
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With the weight of the vehicle, heat of the summer you WILL kill a C rating tire. I imagine driving it feels like you are on marshmallows. I have the exact same tire in an E Rating. Just did the first rotate and so far so good. I did road force balance mine too and one is "marginal" but the assembly (wheel/tire) weights pass so I'm running it.
Old 09-14-2005 | 10:01 PM
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Exclamation Noooooo!!!!!

Get those tires off. Get a refund and your stock tires re-installed. If they don't have them get in writing that they will install the new tires you will bring to them and still give full refund. They sold you the wrong rated tire for your truck. I wouldn't go less than load range D and that would only be if I was not going to tow at all. Stick with the E rating and 10 ply, May I suggest looking here, http://www.discounttiredirect.com/direct/home.do, I just got a set of Nitto Terra Graplers - very smooth, quiet and semi aggresive tread. As far as balancing I've used these beads, http://www.innovativebalancing.com/service.htm twice. They continuously re-balance your tires. If you utilize them when you take the truck to have tires installed make sure they DO NOT use any bead sealer or slop any of that mounting helper inside the tires. When I had mine installed I asked the guy to try not using anything to help aid with bead seating. He said he's never had a problem with Nitto's going on first time and every one went on first time - no problem. Also make sure the paint dot the tire manufacturer puts on the tire is 180* from the valve stem hole on the wheel. The dot is the heavy spot of the tire and the stem will be the heavy spot on the wheel. You are in no way obligated to buy other tires from the vendor you purchased the wrong tires from. If they try to insist that you are, ask to use their phone, ask for the number for the better business bureau or the national highway safety association. You should not have to go to these extreems but, do not let them bully you into buying from them. You should really take your truck, tires and exhaust smoking, elsewhere as it sounds like the shop is more interested in making a buck than you & your families safety.

I do not have any affilliation with any of the vendors/their sites mentioned above - just good stuff I've learned over time.

Good Luck. Joe Mc
Old 09-14-2005 | 11:16 PM
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We'll I took it on a stretch of decent road, swapped driving duties with someone who knows more than me and it is definitely an out of balance rear tire. Maybe a front tire too but certainly a rear tire.

But after reading all these replies it looks like that was the least of my worries. I had no idea that these tires were seriously under rated for our trucks. The salesman obviously didn't know his job very well by the fact that he quoted me a price on a passenger tire before I insisted that it came with a LT tire and thats what i want to put on. I had my truck with me both times I stopped in before buying. I also told him that I might be towing in the near future and he said the tire he sold me was comparable to what was on it. J-body probably has a good idea where I got these tires. The guy that has just started helping me seems very willing to make it right so I hope they do. Not sure if they still have my old tires after two weeks but I don't want to get jerked around on cost for a replacement. Thanks for everyones warnings about the potential danger.
Old 09-14-2005 | 11:31 PM
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I wonder if i can dispute this with the credit card company if need be since I used it to pay? Does it say anywhere in the manual that load range C tires are not suitable? I need to do some homework before i go back there. And yes it does feel like marshmallows driving around and the front tire sidewalls are fairly flexed with 42psi. The max air pressure says 50psi.I think. This really sucks.
Old 09-15-2005 | 12:30 AM
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If they told you that is the tire you needed and being an unkowning customer they are under a huge liabiltiy if something should go wrong. They need to make it right.

Like other said you will need to go with an E rated tire nothing less will do if you are to tow after all that is what yours came with.

I know some tire shops will not put oversized tires on for liability purposes so the same should go for selling under rated tires if a failure should occur I am really surprised this happened. I would ask for manager or higher up the chain of command to get that straightened out before the hurt or kill someone else with that sales guy
Old 09-15-2005 | 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Ram04
Does it say anywhere in the manual that load range C tires are not suitable? I need to do some homework before i go back there. And yes it does feel like marshmallows driving around and the front tire sidewalls are fairly flexed with 42psi. The max air pressure says 50psi.I think.
I don't know whether the manual says that load range C is not suitable but it should give you a recommended tire load range. I would not go less than that. You can also look at the sidewall of the tire and find the maximum load capacity. Multiply it by 2 and see if it's in excess of 4K. If not, the tires probably are underrated for the weight of that Cummins.
Old 09-15-2005 | 10:21 AM
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Many of the tire shops here sell Remingtons exclusively, Yes there not top of the line by any means,Just cheap. There made by dunlop and personally I wouldent put dunlops on my lawnmower. They should stick to motorcycle tires. I just put a set on my jeep cherokee, wide brutes in the 31s, I kept them on for 2 months now there in the junk shed. They always seem to be unbalanceable to some extent.
Old 09-15-2005 | 10:23 AM
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Edit:
The stock factory tires were BFG Rugged Trail, not Goodyears as I mistakenly wrote in my initial post.


The Remington's have a listed capacity of 2600 lbs per tire at 50 psi according to the sidewall. The Bfg had 3195 per tire at 80 psi according to the sidewall on my spare.

After glancing thru the manual it appears that it does a more or less CYA statement by saying that you should use tires with the same size and ratings that which came on the truck.

I am going to park it and use my other truck till this gets sorted.
Old 09-15-2005 | 10:39 AM
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Ram04,

I have been to several tire shops in my area and each would not let me price a tire for my truck that was not a load range "E".. Unfortunately they do make different ply tires in load range "E". Make sure you go with 10ply... It may cost you more, but the ride is much, much better .. **** wish I would have done the same on the last set of tires I purchased ... Now I am waiting till these are worn enough to so I can get tires that are 10ply...

Good luck and keep us posted..

Herold



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