That would be in their trucks!

The thought had me wondering...

I like CATs and Cummins...

But it was Dodge who rolled out a CAT in a Powerwagon... (was it a Powerwagon?)

So if Dodge offered a CAT upgrade instead of the 6.7, would you be interested?

What would you think if CAT was in GMC, Ford or any "other" trucks?

 

No.

I consider the cummins to be a superior engine. If CAT were a MUCH better engine then maybe. They are also very expensive. cat has no experinece in the light truck market and i don't see any engine they have to be comparable to what the cummins is. You have to look at size and weight/horsepower and CAT doesnt have anything that would fit in our trucks and maintain the same HP and weight. I wouldn't want to go any heavier than what the cummins is already.

 

CAT has trouble with emissions requirements. They paid some mucho fines a few years back when their ACERT emissions system wasn't ready for the new EPA mandate.
They were the only large diesel engine manufacturer to not meet the requirement by the deadline.

 

Caterpillar has some powerful engines, but untill they get away from the HUEY style injector pump, they'll always be second to Cummins. Caterpillar is the "Harley Davidson" of trucks. They run good but they constantly leak oil.
The biggest part of their leaks and starting problems are all related to the pump. The Ford Powerstroke (AKA) International use the same style pump and we all know the countless problems they have with those P'soS.

 

all the above is true.
but the cats do like to pull and pull hard they do.
jm02

 

The C7 is going CR in 07 Should be a much better engine then...but I'm really happy with ours in our FL80!

Chris

 

What about the new C6 CR coming out?

I have 0 experience with CAT engines...

But the talk, hype and build of them makes me wonder...

Is there a PROVEN best diesel engine?

And in all, yes, all of the diesel mags --- the editorial states that Dodge owners would choose a CAT over the Cummins, hands down. Is there a reason why?

 

Cat builds a C6 6 liter engine. I am told it is comparable to Cummins as far as weight goes. The acert engines are electronic injectors. No HEUI pump.

 

The CAT engines in on-road applications are well known for using more fuel to make less horsepower per pound of weight, than any other diesel out there.

The ACERT, while being touted as the best thing since sliced bread, has proven to be yet another problematic pile of junk. To the point where a certain manufacturer of highway trucks actually charges a premium on top of the regular selling price for putting the CAT in your truck. This is to help offset the cost of warranty repairs. Not that CAT is a bad thing, I know a lot of truckers who swear by them, right up to the 550, after that, they went downhill rapidly. Of course, I know an inversely proportional number of drivers who swear AT those engines, and have run cummins or "goshness" even Detroit 60 series over the CAT engines.

So if it comes down to " troubled ", "scared", "worried", Yeah, I would be worried.... worried that I am going to have to keep listening to the poor people who buy vehicles with substandard powertrains.

That being said, yeah I drive a dodge, but that is because it happened to arrive wrapped around the powertrain that works, every day.

Just food for thought.

 

Man....a lot of CAT bashing. Make me wonder how many actually have any personal experience withe them. ??????

I run a CAT and a Cummins every day, side by side. My 3176 CAT (350hp) will kick the M-11 Cummins (375hp) to the curb every day. It has more power, torque and about the same efficiency. No idea where the oil leak deal came from since, in 500k miles, it has only been a problem when someting breaks. As to CAT over Cummins? I would probably go Cummins. I can take a CAT part and an equal Cummins part and put them side by side. The CAT part will cost about 20-30% more than the Cummins. I can only assume they use real gold in the CAT paint. I also run a Dodge Cummins. Unless the new 6.7 is a total lemon, which I severely doubt, I would see no reason to go CAT. Now, offer both engines in a Dodge truck.....for the same price?????.......that would take some more thought. Maybe a lot more.

 

Maybe if they made an inline 6 to compete with the Cummins, and was as durable and trouble free. I'm not a big fan of Cat engines as I used to work on them quite a bit. The 3406's (inline 6 cyl) on hiway tractors were/are pretty good mechanically, but fuel delivery, electronics, and sensors are a big problem, shutting down truck, de-fueling, limp mode, too much for my liking.

Price is a premium with that Cat yellow paint on it, no matter what part it is. No thanks I will stick with the Cummins.

 

Depends on if the Cat engine was a proven engine like the 5.9 cummins or a new Cat design

 

I used to work for Finning, the largest Cat dealer or second largest ( I can't remember) in the world. I've seen what comes in the yard on the hook and had to fix most of it. I wouldn't recommend a 3176 to anybody. The L10/M11 CUmmins are superior engines. Go to the track and watch the Big Rig races. They come through Calgary a couple times a year. ask around, and see what the big power light weight engines in the rigs are.......you'll see how often L10/M11 cummins comes up. AND how 3176 Cat NEVER comes up.

That aside as Cat branded as some people are, Caterpillar has made some really big dud's. The 3116 Meui for starters. the 3208 is up there, the hybrid 3406 P.E.A.K from years back. just some of their problematic engines.

some engines are certified for road use some are not. I've personnally never seen a C6 in a road vehicle, but I've seen loads of C7s in different applications.

Now the 3406A, B, C, & E and now the C15 are without a doubt the workhorse of Cats on road fleet. soild engines. well most of them. and nevermind that it takes 4 hours to do a valve set on a C15 Accert with the VVA head controlling the valves

 

Man...I never recommended a 3176...I just said I have one. I have also had no..zero problems with it. IT has been a consistent performer for me. IT will blow away the M-11 on my other truck. I do it on a daily basis. The trucks are evenly matched, too. The M-11 also has consistently had a higher operating cost than the CAT. That is just what I am seeing. I will never take the advice of a mech when it comes to operation cost and performance costs. They just don't know that stuff. They will only see problems and base opinions on that. That is a narrow view...too narrow for my taste. Now, if they run trucks as well, that is different. Actually running trucks and seeing the bottom line year after year is a lot different than seeing what the wrecker brings in. I have had a L-10 before as well. Did not like it at all. Plus, I could care less what they are racing. I don't race and therefore don't care. I work for a living with my trucks. I do what makes me the most money. This 3176 has done just that.

All that said, I still said I'd stay with a Cummins. Cummins has had some duds as well. Ask anyone with a cracked series 53 block. I have one. I am also getting another Cummins in a few weeks. Just because one engine is a dud, doesn't make them all bad no matter who makes it. The 5.9 has been a solid performer for me and will continue to be so. I see no reason at all to change that because some other new engine has come out. I would consider a CAT if Dodge put one out, but then we know that probably won't happen. I'll just stick with what brung me this far.

 

Guys, a similar question was asked HERE

In that thread, you'll see the following info on the Cat C6:
The above can be read about HERE

Rich