First off, I don't want to come off as a smarty. But... If a manufacuer offers a warranty on said part (ie engine) you have the right to use aftermarket parts on it without voiding the warranty.

But if you're running a programmer and putting an extra 100 or so HP through the transmission and you smoke your clutches then they have the right to not cover it... But if something like your oil pump fails then I'd think you're in the clear as far as getting it fixed.

Hope my position makes sense. Read my sig, truck is stock so I don't have a corner in this fight I just like the debate; all those business school law classes in me.... Magnusun Moss was covered quite well it's pretty important. Magnuson Moss protects both the consumer, parts companies (ie SEMA lobby) and the competition.

 

Interesting comments on the K&N filters. The dealer where I bought my truck will put them in and warranty it if they do the service. I'm sure that would be reasonably priced . If you think about the filter actually being a bad idea, then they are causing potential damage that you will have to pay for after warranty runs out.

Personally, I don't care for K&N filters but an interesting situation.

Cya

 

I find this extremely curious. The dealership I bought my truck from sells and installs K&N air filters. So does the dealer my father bought from (400 miles from my dealer).

Do you have a link to a TSB specifically stating that the K&N is a warranty violation?

 

One of the dealerships I use to go to had a notice on their counter from DC about K&N filters.

My take on it is simple, DC will deny warrenty even if the truck is stock.
They will encourage dealerships to try and weasle out of claims, by claiming bad fuel, added programmer. Yet when they are proven wrong in the matter they will say well we have in the past expieranced this.

As for an air filter, as per the book unless the restriction indicator is in the red area then you are not to remove the air filter. If the tech removed my air filter I would go up one side and down the other on them, ( I have in the past).

Personally if I had a after market air filter on my truck and a injector took out a cylinder as stated by a previous post. I would be paying to have a second opinion as to why the cylinder went out, then I would be talking to DC'S Tech line then their lawyers, not to mention the national news about their stealing.

On to warrenty issue, When a person who brings their truck in for a new LP and is with in their warrenty time, is informed that it is not covered by the Engine warrenty thus they have to pay the cost out of pocket.
How does the engine run? how does the emiisions system work on the engine with out a fuel pump? It doesnt. TO many people have paid to avoid the hassle that now it is becomming the norm for this type of stealing.

In closing DC needs to be held accountable for their problems with their trucks.

the owners need to realize they are responsible for the proper maintenance and operation of their trucks,

 

I've taken on a law firm before and represented myself and won. Was not auto related but we had a signed contract on a house purchase and after the fact they wanted more money and I took them on and didn't have to shell out cash. Don't underestimate the little guy. The magnason moss act still is there for us. If a warranty gets dropped for a CAI contact SEMA.

 

Ive bought 4 trucks from my dealer (3 CTD's + 1 hemi) I could (and have) drove up to the dealer with the chip in, cold air intake, no cat, and a FASS sytem and get my warranty work done. All depends on your dealer. But then again my warranty only lasts about a year.

 

Well i my opinion its kinda stupid to void a warranty for an intake. I've also only had one truck that even had a warranty with it and that was my 03. It had a whole 3k miles left on it. Probly will never own anything with one again. Ol'well

 

exactly, hits the nail on the head.

like those idiots who drive like a moron and flip their SUV, then try to sue the car mfg because if you cut the wheel 90* on a suburban at 75mph, it should not flip because that would pose a safety hazard.

ben

 

As I undersand it, over oiling is the problem as too much gets in the turbo.
I chose an oiled filter (sb) because of the filtering capabilities.

 

so what kind of filter does everyone suggest- curentlly im running a k&n filter w/approx 20,000 miles on it- i drive approx 45,000 miles a year and replacing a air filter every month is a pain in the ***. any sugestions let me know

 

So, my S&B filter broke my CD player? Who knew?

My service manager will NOT install any aftermarket items but as far as mods, mums the word.

Over oiled filters can mess with your mass airflow sensor. I like my S&B because it comes with a measuring system and easy step by step directions on how to properly oil it. It's not like I have to clean the thing every 3K so not a big deal.

 

That is the reason all new cars after 2010 have to have traction control installed.

 

Don't get me started on the Traction Control requirement. Gee, how much more expensive is every car going to be now?

M-M is simply there to allow a person to use non-factory replacement parts. Thus, you can use Autolite or NGK spark plugs without any warranty problems, and the manufacturer can't claim that "GM hi performance plugs" are required to preserve the warranty.

But people abuse the system because they think that a "stock replacement" legal provision allows them to have carte blanche with warranty coverage.

I look at it this way: Chrysler sold and warranted a vehicle with X amount of power. Any change to that, and you are your own warranty station...

EXCEPT! I think it's foolhardy to deny warranty coverage on a radio because someone installed aftermarket wheels.


I don't think a manufacturer should have to even prove that a modification DID cause the problem at stake-- rather that it COULD have. Clearly, there's no way that aftermarket wheels could cause the stereo to malfunction, and the manufacturer has no grounds on which to void claims on that part.

I personally never understood the appeal of high-flow intakes on stock CTDs-- unless that stock intake has some particular repuation for leakage or especially poor filtration. Dodge won't install a filter that causes EGT problems or they'd be losing money through increased warranty claims, right?

 

My stock airbox stank. I could see dust in the tube post-filter, hence my change. Not sure if that's typical of Gen 3 airboxes but mine's fit was terrible. I actually like the OEM better because the S&B adds considerable turbo whine to the cabin. But with the cost of a Cummins, I'm taking no chance.

 

Allan, if I had to replace an air filter monthly it would be more than a pain in the back side for me to undertake, because it would also become down right too expensive. The stock air filter was taken out soon after I bought this Dodge brand new, and I installed an Amsoil two stage oiled sponge rubber filter. It provided superior air filtration, more so than the stock filter, but it was messy to re-oil each year. After a couple of years of having to be extra careful not to over oil the sponge rubber, I replaced it with an Amsoil EaA 189 nanofiber dry air filter. Amsoil Nanofibre has a 4year/100,000 mile guarantee and it can be cleaned each year. I mostly drive on asphalt highways and in the snowy winter wonder land there is no dust, so I may not clean this nanofilre filter for two or three years. Our 1998 GMC gas pickup truck has never had the cylindrical air cartridge element cleaned or change yet after ten years. The filter minder shows only 1/3rd of its green area gone and the fuel mileage has not dropped.

The cylinderical paper air filter in my little Kubota tractor lasted over 15 years with cleaning by lightly blowing out the single element. My larger loader tractor is 30 years old and it is still operating with the same two cylinderical paper elements that I blow out after I work in dusty conditions. The articulating field tractor and the combine operate in very dusty conditions, so we have to clean the two stage air filters often.

I get the same longevity with fuel filters by always topping up the fuel tank immediately after using the unit to prevent moisture condensation from air in the fuel tank. I have a diesel fuel can that I use to top up a fuel tank even if I operate the unit for only a half hour or less. My Dodge even gets the same treatment when I travel. If I drive all day long, before I go to the motel for the night I fill up the fuel tank to the neck at a truck stop before parking the truck. When I am driving around home and use very little fuel I use the fuel can to top up my Dodge. I do not like the unit being parked for even a few days without a full fuel tank. I figure the extra inconvenience of having to top up a fuel tank is off set through not having to change fuel filters often. Our farm machinery uses so much fuel in a day that it has to be automatically fueled up in the field if left there over night, or in the farm yard when brought in. We have a large slip tank in an old pickup to fill the machinery. The slip tank is kept full to elimiate condensation in the slip tank and there is a fuel filter on the tank in line with the delivery hose. The FUA bulk station is only ten miles away and the fuel pickup makes the trip after filling up the machinery.

Oil filters are a different story. I change oil filters every time the engine oil is changed.