WARNING! About cold air intakes
01-25-2008 | 10:37 PM
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Well, when it comes to their piece of junk cold air intake I have a few things that would be very good 'legal proof' that my aftermarket cold air intake actually performs FAR BETTER. I have done an oil sample EVERY oil change from day one. With their stock box and garbage filter I kept having silicone levels that were marginally acceptable. When I removed their piece of junk and put a better intake and quality filter on, my silicone levels dropped to almost 0. If they think for one minute I will sit and let their junk be the CAUSE of a decrease in lifespan of my property and investment when something better is available, well let me just say that my attorney will see that they are put in their place. As for some failure engine wise, due to their engineering and design, lack of quality control, again, they had better stand behind their warranty or once again my attorney will be right in there taking care of me. I refuse to be dictated to by a company that seems to constantly use some excuse to get out of standing behind their warranty. None of this warranty stuff comes out of Cummins on other vehicle manufacturers that use their engines. Cummins will be getting a real bad PR over what Dodge is doing to the Cummins loyal owners.
The time will come when someone like me is in their garage with a legitimate warranty issue, something that an aftermarket air intake did not or would not have been even associated with, like injectors, dropped valve seats, etc, you know those all to common issues of standard failures that everyone is experienceing due to their design issues - and will have to sue to get their proper warranty restitution, believe me when I say that I will sue both Dodge and Cummins together, an there will be NO settlement out of court with some stupid clause that prohibits me from discussing things just to get my problems remedied and have my truck back on the road. I will get it fixed and then go after them for restitution if they deny me a legitimate warranty claim.
It is time for everyone to realize that the internal practice of warranty denials will only continue if no one take appropriate actions. NOWHERE did I sign anything that gave away my rights to choose aftermarket products when I bought my truck. NOWHERE in all the documents does it say they can deny me my warranty repairs on legitimate issues. The Moss-Magnuson Act comes into play regarding these things for a worth reason, to control the dictators and to stop them from monopolizing and controlling your choices. If they actually had a bumper to bumper warranty that they would stand behind, built a truck with quality, then the aftermarket would not exist.
CD
The time will come when someone like me is in their garage with a legitimate warranty issue, something that an aftermarket air intake did not or would not have been even associated with, like injectors, dropped valve seats, etc, you know those all to common issues of standard failures that everyone is experienceing due to their design issues - and will have to sue to get their proper warranty restitution, believe me when I say that I will sue both Dodge and Cummins together, an there will be NO settlement out of court with some stupid clause that prohibits me from discussing things just to get my problems remedied and have my truck back on the road. I will get it fixed and then go after them for restitution if they deny me a legitimate warranty claim.
It is time for everyone to realize that the internal practice of warranty denials will only continue if no one take appropriate actions. NOWHERE did I sign anything that gave away my rights to choose aftermarket products when I bought my truck. NOWHERE in all the documents does it say they can deny me my warranty repairs on legitimate issues. The Moss-Magnuson Act comes into play regarding these things for a worth reason, to control the dictators and to stop them from monopolizing and controlling your choices. If they actually had a bumper to bumper warranty that they would stand behind, built a truck with quality, then the aftermarket would not exist.
CD
01-26-2008 | 04:44 PM
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IF dealer even so much as suggests you use a certain product to avoid voiding your warranty they by law must supply you with the required product free of charge...
Those of us that own Harley's have taken this fight to the dealer and in virtually every case where a product outside the dealers suggested/required product had no bearing on operation of the part in question we have won the argument without need to call a lawyer...they know the law but will attempt to persuade you otherwise at first.
01-26-2008 | 04:57 PM
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Well dont shoot the mesenger! LOL. Im just relaying what i was told at school. All i know is a couple momths back i put an engine in a 04.5 with 50k miles customer pay becuase of a drop in K&N air filter bouncing his claim. I think the bill was somewhere in the 17k range installed. The engine had the typical injector faliure destroying #6 cyl. a problem ive seen way too many times. In fact ive replaced more engines in 04.5 on up then ive ever replace 98.5 to 02.
So take it for whats its worth. If your value your warranty and dont want to pay lawyers and all that crap dont bring the truck in with mods i guess.
So take it for whats its worth. If your value your warranty and dont want to pay lawyers and all that crap dont bring the truck in with mods i guess.
01-26-2008 | 06:07 PM
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It's just like fighting City Hall and my neighborhood has been doing that lately and I've learned a lot from it. A six lane hiway is going over my house and I best not be in it when the dozer comes! I can guarantee that if the dealer says your mod caused a problem, it will be up to you to prove that it didn't. That's the way it works these days - you aren't big enough to turn the table! I know I'm gambling with my truck and that's why I haven't gone nuts with the mods. I want it reliable enough that I don't have to worry about breaking it or the warranty. I live in a glass house too and I think if you can't afford to pay... you better not play. Craig
01-26-2008 | 06:37 PM
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Chrysler shot me down last year over a turbo. All I had done to the truck was a muffler, Banks intake horn, Airaid filter, and an exhaust manifold. They said any after market parts will void your warranty up.
01-26-2008 | 09:50 PM
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It is time for everyone to realize that the internal practice of warranty denials will only continue if no one take appropriate actions. NOWHERE did I sign anything that gave away my rights to choose aftermarket products when I bought my truck. NOWHERE in all the documents does it say they can deny me my warranty repairs on legitimate issues. The Moss-Magnuson Act comes into play regarding these things for a worth reason, to control the dictators and to stop them from monopolizing and controlling your choices. If they actually had a bumper to bumper warranty that they would stand behind, built a truck with quality, then the aftermarket would not exist.
CD
CD
The concept of "Tie-In Sales" being illegal for a manufacturer link to their warranty may be true to some part, but they (the manufacturer) have ways around it. See below is a snipit of the M-M Act explained from the business's side on Tie-In Sales. Manufactures do have a back door escape for someone using an aftermarket air filter (lets say) and damage occurs to their engine somehow. At least that is how I read it.
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"Tie-In Sales" Provisions
Generally, tie-in sales provisions are not allowed. Such a provision would require a purchaser of the warranted product to buy an item or service from a particular company to use with the warranted product in order to be eligible to receive a remedy under the warranty. The following are examples of prohibited tie-in sales provisions.
In order to keep your new Plenum Brand Vacuum Cleaner warranty in effect, you must use genuine Plenum Brand Filter Bags. Failure to have scheduled maintenance performed, at your expense, by the Great American Maintenance Company, Inc., voids this warranty.
While you cannot use a tie-in sales provision, your warranty need not cover use of replacement parts, repairs, or maintenance that is inappropriate for your product. The following is an example of a permissible provision that excludes coverage of such things.
While necessary maintenance or repairs on your AudioMundo Stereo System can be performed by any company, we recommend that you use only authorized AudioMundo dealers. Improper or incorrectly performed maintenance or repair voids this warranty.
Although tie-in sales provisions generally are not allowed, you can include such a provision in your warranty if you can demonstrate to the satisfaction of the FTC that your product will not work properly without a specified item or service. If you believe that this is the case, you should contact the warranty staff of the FTC's Bureau of Consumer Protection for information on how to apply for a waiver of the tie-in sales prohibition.
01-27-2008 | 12:47 AM
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01-27-2008 | 10:18 AM
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That is correct.
I replaced my stock air filter with an Amsoil tack oiled foam air filter. It worked well, but was an inconvenience to re-tack oil after being cleaned. I never had any problem with the oiled Amsoil filter performance, but I sure jumped at the chance to change over to the new EaA 189 dry nano fibre filter from Amsoil. Amsoil told me some of their customers were experiencing problems with their oiled foam filters after they cleaned them, because they were saturating the foam medium with too much tack oil. Amsoil said the excessive tack oil given off into the intake air was interferring with engine sensor operation, and that is why they are now selling a dry air filter with superior filtration.
01-27-2008 | 08:44 PM
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[Legal threats snipped because they are just that,,, threats. Not worth much.]
It is time for everyone to realize that the internal practice of warranty denials will only continue if no one take appropriate actions. NOWHERE did I sign anything that gave away my rights to choose aftermarket products when I bought my truck. NOWHERE in all the documents does it say they can deny me my warranty repairs on legitimate issues. The Moss-Magnuson Act comes into play regarding these things for a worth reason, to control the dictators and to stop them from monopolizing and controlling your choices. If they actually had a bumper to bumper warranty that they would stand behind, built a truck with quality, then the aftermarket would not exist.
CD
The MM has to do with creating a monopoly on a product, such as a maintenance product, that would provide a basis for denying warranty.
IMO, (and I'm gonna take crap for this) if Chrysler builds a truck, you buy it and break it, and Chrysler decides that you modified it, its your problem.
What Mr. Legal Threat (not just the guy I'm replying to, but all of you with lawyers to do your bidding after you F up) seems to forget is this: Because of the vast array of modifications, and the vast array of possible failures, it would take a huge legal/warranty department AND a huge research department to adequately and fairly decide on each engine failure. Thats cubic dollars spent BECAUSE we have the freedom to modify our trucks AND Mr. Legal Threat expects Chrysler to deal with that freedom.
So, since Chrysler cannot take our freedom away, they opt to cut the expenses of monitoring that freedom by making a "black and white" policy, rather than one that has more complexity than need be. This saves the buyer loads of cash on the purchase price (I'd bet over $2000 per unit) AND it saves Chrysler the legal headaches of descrimination suits when one guy gets his truck fixed, and another guy doesn't.
In short, if you don't like the warranty offered on the vehicle, don't buy the dam n thing, OR be prepared to deal with fixing it yourself.
Don't like what I have to say? Tell your lawyer to call me, I'm sure we can work out how much cash of yours will go away for the priviledge of his having a conversation with me.
01-27-2008 | 08:52 PM
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01-27-2008 | 09:34 PM
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. Oh well.