Time for batteries...
#32
Sorry I didn't reply sooner, but work got in the way...
I guess my previous post was primarily about my surprise over Optima's apparent color scheme of their battery sales displays located in many retail outlets...
You know,... The prominent rack with 3 different color empty battery cases(red-starting,yellow-combo,blue-marine/deepcycle) equipped with product fliers available to help extol the virtues of a sealed battery system like theirs...
Digging deeper, I found that yellow and red (and some blue!) were ALSO starting batteries . My concern was that maybe they were all the same darned batteries but with a shellgame going on over plastic color and labels(and price!)... After all, anyone ever heard of that before concerning batteries?
During this search I found that they do indeed make two basic kinds of spiral cell batts with various terminal options. Why they choose to mix-and-match 2 different kind batteries with 3 different color plastic and several label descriptions is beyond me.
Now, having some experience with some of the smaller size Gates/Cyclon spiral wound LA cells before, I was impressed with their spiral battery technology... They worked SO well for me in the past (albiet smaller batts) I wanted to utilize it in my CTD even though redtops cost a bit more than flatplate AGM batts...
But, the prime reason I am going to get 2 redtops is because I have already had the "spewing acid mist syndrome" damage to my paintjob (prev owner did it). I watch very carefully for signs of one wetcell batt going south and causing a repeat performance .
My reasoning for linking the desire to also get an Optima deepcycle batt along with the 2 redtops? I run high power ham radio equipment (400w VHF, 1KW HF) from my truck...
I wanted to get an electrically similar battery since they all will be paralleled for charging.
The charging(and discharge) voltage characteristics of a battery are determined by the manufactured chemistry of the lead and the electrolyte concentration...
Dissimilar chemistry batteries do NOT like to be paralleled for long periods...
Batteries age and their chemistry changes... Acid weakens, lead sulphate is lost from the plates and lead plate alloy metal concentrations migrate(antimony, calcium, arsenic etc.) and change the self discharge characteristics for the worse.
My old deepcycle batt is nearing the end of its useful life. It also likes a slightly higher float/charge voltage than my present starting batteries get from the alternator...
Unfortunately, the sheer cost of a deepcycle optima(yellow or blue ) is going to make me wait until I absolutely have to.
Keith
I guess my previous post was primarily about my surprise over Optima's apparent color scheme of their battery sales displays located in many retail outlets...
You know,... The prominent rack with 3 different color empty battery cases(red-starting,yellow-combo,blue-marine/deepcycle) equipped with product fliers available to help extol the virtues of a sealed battery system like theirs...
Digging deeper, I found that yellow and red (and some blue!) were ALSO starting batteries . My concern was that maybe they were all the same darned batteries but with a shellgame going on over plastic color and labels(and price!)... After all, anyone ever heard of that before concerning batteries?
During this search I found that they do indeed make two basic kinds of spiral cell batts with various terminal options. Why they choose to mix-and-match 2 different kind batteries with 3 different color plastic and several label descriptions is beyond me.
Now, having some experience with some of the smaller size Gates/Cyclon spiral wound LA cells before, I was impressed with their spiral battery technology... They worked SO well for me in the past (albiet smaller batts) I wanted to utilize it in my CTD even though redtops cost a bit more than flatplate AGM batts...
But, the prime reason I am going to get 2 redtops is because I have already had the "spewing acid mist syndrome" damage to my paintjob (prev owner did it). I watch very carefully for signs of one wetcell batt going south and causing a repeat performance .
My reasoning for linking the desire to also get an Optima deepcycle batt along with the 2 redtops? I run high power ham radio equipment (400w VHF, 1KW HF) from my truck...
I wanted to get an electrically similar battery since they all will be paralleled for charging.
The charging(and discharge) voltage characteristics of a battery are determined by the manufactured chemistry of the lead and the electrolyte concentration...
Dissimilar chemistry batteries do NOT like to be paralleled for long periods...
Batteries age and their chemistry changes... Acid weakens, lead sulphate is lost from the plates and lead plate alloy metal concentrations migrate(antimony, calcium, arsenic etc.) and change the self discharge characteristics for the worse.
My old deepcycle batt is nearing the end of its useful life. It also likes a slightly higher float/charge voltage than my present starting batteries get from the alternator...
Unfortunately, the sheer cost of a deepcycle optima(yellow or blue ) is going to make me wait until I absolutely have to.
Keith
#33
How about them yellow Group 31 Commercial Optimas??? Mucho dinero....
Keith, have you seen the Odysseys??
http://www.ajusa.com/cgi-bin/odyssey...erture-odyssey
Keith, have you seen the Odysseys??
http://www.ajusa.com/cgi-bin/odyssey...erture-odyssey
#34
Originally Posted by JyRO
YIKES! I just looked in an old website I forgot I had saved on my favorites list. It says that P1693 means - Turbo Charge Control Circuit Malfunction.
I doubt there's a real problem since this directly happened as a result of trying to crank with dead batteries
I doubt there's a real problem since this directly happened as a result of trying to crank with dead batteries
1693 is just a companion code, saying there is a code present in one of the computers.
You need to get it scanned with a real code reader to find out what the other code is.
I'd bet it is something related to the dying batteries.
phox
#36
Originally Posted by phox_mulder
Some sites misdiagnose that code.
1693 is just a companion code, saying there is a code present in one of the computers.
You need to get it scanned with a real code reader to find out what the other code is.
I'd bet it is something related to the dying batteries.
phox
1693 is just a companion code, saying there is a code present in one of the computers.
You need to get it scanned with a real code reader to find out what the other code is.
I'd bet it is something related to the dying batteries.
phox
I've seen several different versions of codes in various places. I remember seeing sometime back that the 1693 meant the basic companion code deal (and said so in one of my previous replies), but didn't know which one was right. The engine sounded good, but I only walked it through the yard to pick up trash, didn't put ANY load on it. I guess the P1693 is the computer's way of, 'running home to mama.' Any little problem happens, and it throws that code. I've had that code before when the LP failed, along with another code or two. I was expecting to get some code from the battery disconnect. But still, I was not expecting the Engine MIL light on the dash to come on. I reckon it'll go off after a few key cycles. We'll see.
- JyRO
#37
Originally Posted by drew03
Optimas are made by interstate........When mine go bad i'm gonna buy interstate.
http://www.optimabatteries.com/publi.../about_us.html
BTW I just learned something on that link! Optima batteries ARE directly related to the Gates/Cyclon batteries! COOL!
Notice that J.C. bought them back from being foreign owned...
EVIL, Concerning Odysseys, yes I've seen them and I remember when they first came out BOY were they $$$ pricey! Quite frankly, I haven't priced them recently...
The Optima's were much more widely available at discount outlets than Odyssey's...
Yes, I saw those Gp 31 batts.. Ouch!
K.
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