My 340 swinger was way faster light to light (and probably in the 1/4) than my hemi roadrunner was but nothing catches the attention or respect that the legendary 426 hemi does simply because of the real power it made regardless of what dodge claimed. GMs LS6 of the day was rated at more power than both the hemi and the L88 however never really took center stage because it never really made more power. History shows that marketing only works when there is proof to the claim. Let them claim what they want the bottom line is the one that does the job the best with out falling apart prematurely will come out on top. IMO its to bad dodge took so long to get a 6 speed auto in the game as its going to really level the playing field

 

alright I know this is a Cummins site, but I think the statement "VERY" is a little unfair........No, they wont go a million miles, but I think its fair to give the 7.3 and dmax a tiny bit of credit. They eached paved the way with many advances in diesel technology. The PSD with electronic injection back in 94, and the dmax being one of the first with commonrail and aluminum heads. I can count over 2 dozen dmax's that I personally know with over 500k...dont get me wrong, I love the cummins as much as any of you guys, but if the other two were as god-awful as you say, dont you think you would only see cummins's on the road and the others would have died out due to lack of sales? Maybe not in your area, but as far as where I live if its not a PSD, its a gas engine. Couple dmax's and cummins's here and there, but for the most part everyone owns PSD's (7.3's that is).

JMO

ben

 

If what you say was true then why do so many buy Ford with the 6 oh no engine then come back 1-2 years later and buy the same POS engine in a newer body?

 

dont know, you'd have to ask them.

 

Duratothemax, I am going by what I see every day. I work in the natural gas and oil exploration industry. I am in contact with customers and their mechanics who run various work truck combinations, I am using real world information and experiences from the area I live in. The truck/engine is NOT a reliable engine for actual work. To drag around a horse or two, maybe a boat... I'm sure its great for that, what I am merely stating is that, in my experiences, when you bind this engine up every day, idling in the heat, running down lease roads etc... it is not able to withstand the stress. My svc. truck has 95,000 miles on it, and has NOW had 4 water pumps???.. This engine has had several sets of injectors, several injection pumps, a couple of a/c compressors, a p/s pump, a steering gear box, front main seal x2,...this is not "a bad one".. We have 6 of these trucks and all have had the same problems... some have already had engine swaps due to failures... The engine is NOT an industrial "grade" diesel engine.!

 

fair enough, everyone has oppinions. Some trucks last, some have problems, its a crapshoot. I could buy a duramax and have it go 500k, and then the next day, buy a cummins and have it die at 20k. Or vice versa! Just because one had problems doesnt mean the rest are automatically thrown in the "JUNK" category... JMO

ben

 

Cummins, Duramax, and 6.9, 7.3 ford are all great diesels IMO. And all of them can break.

 

Nope. Only the Cummins is any good

I mean well said. Yeah most of the guys on here prefer the Cummins, but the Dmax and 6.9/7.3 that went in the Fords are good engines as well.

 

I understand your point, but this thread is about hp, and tq, not who has the quickest, or fastest, or best. So I stand by my point, that the engine with the most hp, tq wins regardless how many liters/cylinders/heads the engine has.

 

Wins what?? Like I said...The Duramax is a paper champion!

 

And I see your point as well.

But "winning" based on nothing more than manufacturer's claims or paper seems even more petty than "winning" based on how much hp/tq per cylinder or displacement. I'll take real world onroad performance over sales brochures and even dynos any day. Using your previous example, I'd wager that in an automotive application a 400hp 16 cylinder would walk all over a 401hp 1 cylinder every day of the week and twice on Sundays. So who really "won"?

 

As much as Id love to sit here and bash the snot out of dmax and psd all day long, they all have their advantages and disadvantages so i have to agree with this statement.

With that being said, I bought a cummins motor wrapped in a dodge body

Personally, i grew up in a ford family and have owned many fords and had all intentions of buying a PSD, then Ford decided to put probably the worst, most unreliable diesel engine ever made into their HD's the 6.0.

Ive also owned a few GM's...my g/f had an 03 caddy and i had an 01 Grand prix GTP, both were TOTAL GARBAGE, the caddy was worse, it was in the shop more than it was on the road. Actually, I like the power that the Dmax has and would probably buy if the motor wasnt wrapped in a GM made product. We have two Dmax's here at work and they are both great running trucks, but the rest of the truck is crap.

Which brings me to my point of why I love my truck and wouldnt trade it for anything.

 

Dura....point taken.. Not trying to get into a pissin' match or anything. We've really had alot of aggrevation out of these trucks.Its turned into a running joke about whats gonna fall off on who's truck next. I can account some of the repeated problems to the dealerships that work on them. Some rule about the dealerships having to be "certified" to work on anything bigger than a 1 ton... Problem that we have found is that the certified dealerships don't really have a clue. Even the simple stuff like it takes 3 gallons and 2 quarts (14 total) of oil, and them sending us out with 10 quarts of oil.. Only to have it shut down due to low oil level in the middle of the highway. Having a fuel system failure and them fixing it, only to pop the hood and see that they didn't even bother changing the fuel filter??? Three days for an injector swap???, $1500 for rear brakes??? Not to mention the breakdowns that always seem to happen at midnight on a Friday when we're 3-4 hours from home. It takes a "semi" wrecker to tow these things due to DOT regulations.. Aggrevation... LOTS of it. We ran 7.3 PSD's before these, clutch failures and injectors, but nothing as major as what these have been.
Like I said, not trying to get into a flame war, I was a GM fan for a LONG time, it changed only because I happened to get two bad ones in a row, one almost killed me and my family, kinda made me gun-shy. I can tell ya that if/when I have the major issues with Dodge, I will change to a differnt brand, perhaps even look at a GM again. Not brand loyal, just go with what works for me.