Well, I have a 12v, and I am doing my best to get it so it makes power and doesn't smoke.

To me, smoke means wasted fuel and/or an improperly tuned engine.

I'd rather give up 100 hp, than to have it smoke and have anyone who sees it think it is running like crap. Cuz then they would also think all other Dodge diesels ALL do that, and they would not want one.

I moved my plate full forward last night, and drove to a friends house. Along the way, I got on it kinda hard to switch lanes, and when I did, I blacked out both lanes of the highway. I was EMBARRASSED !!!! the 1st thing I did when I got there, was back off the plate some. It now barely hazes, and I can't tell a difference in the power.


What would you think if you saw a gasser belching out smoke ?.....you'd think, man, he needs to fix that thing. Well, 99% of the people out there would think the same thing about a diesel engine.

Ya know what, the more people that see and think that about a diesel, the closer we are to having full blown emmissions testing on diesels like they do on gassers in some places.

How would you like it if they told you you can NOT change anything on your diesel truck ?? It IS that way in some places now for gassers. In some states, you can't even put an aftermarket exhaust on your gas engine!!!

People who smoke cuz they think it is cool, are gonna push us that way.

Yes, you can make more power along with the smoke, but if you are patient and tune it properly, you can make the same power with almost NO smoke. Guys who race and pull don't need to go to these efforts, because they don't drive them on the streets where a cloud of black smoke can cause an accident and kill someone. And in most cases, even if it is tuned perfectly, it will still smoke because of the way the truck is used (full fuel before turbos are spooled up).


Yeah, gassers can smoke the tires and cause a big cloud too, but they CAN NOT do that when traffic is already moving at 60+ mph, so the risk of an accident is not as high.




Finally, since some of you think smoking out 2 lanes of traffic is cool.......ponder this. How cool would it be if your smoke show resulted in an accident, and a friend of yours, or one of his family members (or maybe even yours), was killed as a result ???


How 'cool" would it be then ???

 

Hey, there are a few folks at work that I don't like. I know there is a law against killin' folks, but what the heck, I'll just take 'em out (do what I want no matter what people think, even if it is against the law).
I wonder how the "Well your honor, I just don't agree with the law" defense would stand up in court?

~Rob

 

i don't agree with smoking out intersections and highways, but smoke does mean power. no matter what anyone else says. until i see a puller go out there and beat mitchell,scheid and haisley or a guy running in the 10's with just a haze of smoke coming out the stacks i will continue to believe this. i am guilty of blacking out the tailgater behind me or doing it in roadrage, but we do need to be careful before the only place we can drive will be the strip and hooking to the sled

 

"but smoke does mean power. no matter what anyone else says"

Nope. Burning fuel with sufficient air IN THE COMBUSTION CHAMBER yields power. Putting more fuel in the combustion chamber than can properly burn does NOTHING for power. If you want to make more power, get more air into the combustion chamber.

"i am guilty of blacking out the tailgater behind me or doing it in roadrage, but we do need to be careful before the only place we can drive will be the strip and hooking to the sled"

You are touching on another topic here. I like power as much as the next guy, but yesterday I say a lifted 7,000 PSD blow through a yellow light under full acceleration and smoke. When I hear of people "needing" to remove the speed limiter in their ECM on their lifted bombed 4x4 and I don't see any reference to a dragstrip, I cringe. Sooner or later something bad is going to happen and it will damage all parties involved.

 

This morning we HAD (no choice) to follow a 89 or 90 4x4 CTD 5 speed through town maybe 2 miles worth of stop and go (traffic lights) It was miserable following this pile. It wasn’t loud but it must have had a million hard miles on it. It smoked (especially taking off) and stunk so bad it was embarrassing. He was driving it real easy too. This guy gave diesels and Dodge and Cummins a BAD name. It WREAKED.

 

I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH I PERSONALLY LOVE IT! I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS ABOUT LEAVING THE TRUCK PULL AND YOU HAVE YOUR POLICE OFFICERS DIRECTING TRAFFIC BUT I ALL OF A SUDDEN GET A BAD SPASM IN MY FOOT AND THERE I GO

 

my $0.02 on this is if they are going to go after diesels, they need to treat people with gas engines that burn oil the same. I have seen people sitting at a light and block the whole road with rancid, blue, oil smoke. and whats worse, the smell sticks around even after you pass them.

 

I think you just let your mind run away with ideas of how to post on what i said. That is not at all what i mean and i think someone with common sense should have known that.

As for the smoke turns off future diesel owners, i am not a salesman am not trying to sell CTD's.

As for smoke means no power, thats my favorite one. I havent seen mean real powerfull trucks with no smoke obviously smoke is fuel and without it it is hard to have power. Like was said it is hard to get these old mechanical engines not to smoke. Botttom line is there gonna smoke till you get the charger lit. Thats my .02$

 

I'm not either, but 'smoking out' someone sure isn't gonna help get the general public to like them, or help to stop special laws against them, now is it ?

 

Exactly the point I tried to make earlier in this thread, which seems to have been ignored by the guys who need to find ways to compensate. oh well.

 

My point is, I guess you think we should just be able to pick and choose which laws to obey, anybody with common sense could have figured that out.


~Rob

 

What exactly is your point? Do you not think it a good idea to improve diesels so that they are more prevelant? Do you not want a more powerful diesel with less smoke, or would you rather smoke out people that you don't like? Do you do it because you think it's cool? I'm just curious what your mindset is here becuase the only thing I can gather at the moment is that it's a compensation issue. I'm not a salesman either, and I'm also not trying to sell CTD's, but with that kind of statement, you've missed the entire point.

 

Smoking is a sign of a laggy turbo and a tight converter. Not in-efficiency. Is anyone here going to argue that a clean burning twinsetup pushing 500whp and a tight converter does not smoke at all?

 

I think rather the point i am trying to make is being ignored. I realize you cant break laws. What I am trying to get through here is that is the law in my town is that if you can !!!!!!!!!SEE!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT, it is to much smoke does anybody understand that? Now you telling me thats what you agree with? If so,so be it. Absolutely no smoke is nearly imposible. Smoke is a sign of laggy charger huh? Well not all of us has the money to drop for a 3or4k set of twins so we try to make do with bigger singles, but i guess that is wrong also. Well i am not going to argue anymore about it everone is entiltled to there own opinion. While i am sure alot of you think that what me and about every diesel owner in this TOWN beleive is crazy and nonsense. Well just so you know the feeling is mutual. This post wansn't intended for a huge argument. It was inteded for a informational purpose. Now the rest of you can run home a swap out your 300$ exhaust because the copper said it was too loud. You think THAT will make a difference? No probably not. The ordinance in my town states all engines should be equipped with, or equal to stock exhaust. Now if i could count how many 400+ BB and SB run around here with whatever exhaust is on them and nothing gets said.

And another point is if you look around i beleive one of the most pollutant things out there are jets/aircraft. Now what do you think they will do about that? Nothing i am sure,because they make to much money off them. In my eyes it is all about the almighty dollar and it just another ticket to issue and more money to them, but if some of you wanna beleive anyone gives a **** about the enviroment 50 yrs from now go ahead. Just take a closer look around before you jump to conclusions. THAT IS JUST __MY__ OPINION!

 

This is EXACTLY right. That is the only reason they are doing this. If they cared that much about the enviroment no one would have their own vehicle to drive unless it was electric.

Eric