I think the both of them are missing a key point, maybe a few of you could comment on this point and tell me if it is the case or not.

Many people are brand loyal to a certain extent and with loyalty comes the other side of the coin which is "dislike" for the others out there.

If GM and Chrysler merge do you think they will be selling anywhere near the amount of cars they are now combined?

I can pretty much Gurantee they wont. It would be even worse if it was ford and GM getting together.

I for one am not a GM fan, never had much luck therefore it wont be an option for me to spend my cash on something that has bitten me in the past.

I truly think this Merger is going to be a disaster in the long run. Do you really need to create an even bigger company in order to cut costs? lol I am pretty sure GM has a big enough mess going on right now never mind adding to the fire.

LLC needs to get the hell out of the car business that is for sure, I saw this coming when they bought into Chrysler. All they care about are profits end of story.

Would be nice if someone who knew something about cars and not just where to put the key in to get it running would step up to the plate and turn it around.

Only time will tell I guess.

Jason

 

If Nissan is on the ball it will take the Dodge truck section including the diesels. Thats about the only way the Ram will survive and Nissan needs that part of the market anyways.

 

I hope it dosen't happen. Many peoples' jobs are at stake. That would just make the economy tank even more...... Gotta love these companies buying things with funny money and expecting to make it.

 

That ALONE will hurt this economy even more.

Plus FORD is already offering buyouts as GM is

 

Gm has a like a 23% market share.. Buying ChryLLC would give them a 36% market share... So why in the heck would they disolve ChryLLC?

GM wants more market share, right?

Gm would stream line car and truck platforms, and drivetrains. Then use different sheetmetal and interiors to differentate the two.. Possibly might even keep a more truck like chasis for the dodge as thats one of its qualities.

But guys, even Chrysler is looking at going to an independant front suspension on the new 2010 HD Dodge.. So GM couldnt be knocked for that.

GM will keep dodge as is for quite a few years.. The streamlining cant be done overnight.

Wheather or not Cummins or Aisen or even Damlier would want to do business with GM would have to be a wait and see..

It would make more business since to drop Cummins, Aisen, and Damlier in time and use there own powertrains..

If I were the owner of Cummins, I'd be wanting out right now... I want to sell engines, dodge sales are down.. I'd be looking for a way to sell more engines.. Cummins might just pull out of this deal and go looking for someone wanting engines in more mass.. (maybe ford)

The new 2.4 Chrysler world engine might be kept... Who knows..

There would be things GM likes from Chrysler and would keep.. Just hard to say what..

Carey

 

Nissan's biggest problem is distribution. Picking up Dodge would give it the lift it needs and the widespread dealers.

GM has always produced five lines of the same or similar vehicle platform whether a Chevy, Olds, Buick, Pontiac or Cadillac. Saturn is pretty much free-standing and the only model line that actually looks good.

But, I don't think it's a done deal quite yet. If Cerebrus keeps Chrysler Financial and GMAC the way they are - they'll be on solid ground. Selling Chrysler to GM and then investing in the combined company makes no sense at all - Sell it to Kerkorian makes more sense or Daimler could get it back for a song.

 

The latest in the news today is that Renault-Nissan is looking to buy 20% of Chrylser and incorporate them into their "alliance". These companies have already partnered to build small/midsized cars and the new Titan. Who knows perhaps a Cummins powered, Dodge built, Nissan Titan is in our future.

 

Nissan scraped their diesel program for the Titan due to major quality issues with the Titan. One of my friends just dumped his titan, 3 rear axles, then the exhaust rotted at the flange where it is bent to go over the axle, resulting in the exhaust melting the wiring harness causing the engine to quit while going 65mph towing his camper. He almost wrecked.

I hope Nissan doesn't get to involved.

Tim

 

I would rather see Nissan get it than GM. GM will just rob Chrysler's cash and leave it sitting on the side of the road.

 

I dunno 'bout that. Axing overlapping lines seems to be the name of game (Oldsmobile, Plymouth, etc.). In GM's eyes, there is nothing particularly unique about Chryco except Jeep, their popular minivans, and maybe (if they are smart) the Cummins. My bet is they'd do away with everything else. That means more market share by default. Granted, there would be a void in that new piece of the auto-market pie. They'd have to compete for it along with everyone else, but it should still mean more market share for them and everyone else regardless.

I sure hope I'm wrong and you're right though. Not sure how all the Chrysler-Dodge dealers work into the equation if they ax those lines.

 

new model introduced

https://www.dieseltruckresource.com/...d.php?t=220968

 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081024/...hrysler_cuts_1

 

Ummmm, no. Pay, pensions and healthcare killed them.

 

Unions and a crappy product killed em.

 

LOL, not exactly. Bad pension investment from inept management. Sky rocketing health care premiums (17% per year) that have nothing to do with the unions.

Crappy quality provided by crappy(non union) engineering, then add the (non union) bean counters to the final assembly and we all wind up with junk.



Tim