I use Power Service and have no issues with it. Use it in the dodge and the KW. Carry ps911 in case of gelling. The regular will keep US #2 from gelling in cold temps Also topping up with #1 every 3rd tank or so will help as #1 contains the additives required. But your fuel mileage will suffer. Your choice. High mileage or keep running in the cold. Just my .03 (with exchange). Rick

 

#1 offers no benefit when added to #2 aside from lowering the gel point. In fact, #1 has much reduced lubricity compared to number 2, which is why it's recommended to run lubricity additives whenever running winter blended fuel or #1.

Powerservice while readily available, is 77% regular #2 diesel fuel, so its pretty much a waste of money. Also the Powerservice DFS has a demulsifier, which to me is silly.

 

Your information is wrong. Power Service, along with most all other diesel treatments is a high percentage of kerosene or Stoddard solvent. The chemicals used in diesel treatments are so strong that it would be unwise and possibly illegal to offer them to the general pubic in pure form, there will always be a carrier.
A friend who hauls fuel says they use less than a gallon of pure treatment to anti-gel a 10,000 gallon diesel load. He doesn't get to add it himself, the guy who does wears protective gear.

 

Check the MSDS - it's mostly diesel fuel. Stanadyne uses stoddard solvent as a base, powerservice does not. It all depends how much 'carrier' you want to buy. Primrose has very little - 12 oz treats 187 gals...

 

Lightman, truckers and other folks in the diesel community absolutely swear by power service. My father-in-law has been using it for YEARS, and he said everything else is crap. I tried to explain, I showed him examples and lab tests. It didn't work. To me it's like trying to convince people not to shop at walmart, you're just out gunned and out numbered.

They've just developed such a huge (Power service) that they have backing no matter what. It doesn't matter if someone else makes a better product, they have the market. There's tons of examples... microsoft, GM vehicles, q-tips cotton swabs, kleenex, it's just the way it is man! ever think of stuff like that?

 

bigern you're right....kinda like those people* that keep buying powerstroke no matter what any charts say =]

*edited by moderator

 

Well, whatever's in Powerservice (silver bottle) does make my engine run smoother and quieter, especially right now with the winter blend.
A buddy of mine runs both Stanadyne and Powerservice on his Powerstroke and he can't tell the difference in engine operation between the two. He did say the fuel economy goes up slightly with the Powerservice.

MikeyB

 

You can't.......... It's available by request only. (hmmm.....I wonder why .... )

I think the reason truckers swear by Power Service as well as Howes is they're easily available at Wal-Mart and truck stops. Go into an average Petro, Pilot, TA, etc., and you won't find Stanadyne. BTW, I'm a reformed additive junkie. I've tried them all except the "mail order only" ones. I won't waste my money on freight. Stanadyne works best, IMO, and that's what I use now.

 

Go here to find MSDS on any product http://www.msdssolutions.com/index.asp
In fact use my login- illflem and password- auto48 if you don't want to get your own

I'll save you some time though most any additive you check will say-
Hydroxy Compounds 70-80%, this is the carrier.

My feeling why most truckers use PS and Howe's is because it works, if it didn't they wouldn't continue using it.

Arguing additives is like arguing motor oils, most will work just fine for most people.
Use whatever you feel comfortable with.

 

I fall upon my knees and beg forgivness from Commayoze, Lightman and bigern24 for using and continuing to use a product that has never left me gelled and parked beside the road. Not only at -5F, but at --50F with crappy US fuel in my tanks. Stanadyne is a product that I have never seen or heard of until I saw it mentioned here. PS has always worked for me, and as such this moron will continue to use it, because when I'm on one of those stretches of Canadian highway that is 120 - 150 miles between towns in temps between 0 and -50F, I don't need to be experimenting with what will keep me moving and more importantly warm and alive. Sorry kids, but thats how I see it . Not knockin any other product, but I KNOW this one works and as such I owe it to my wife and kids to use the one that I KNOW works and GETS ME HOME . Heard many claims about lots of snake oils in the automotive additive industry over the years and the biggest thing is, there is nothing here which can show that people who recommend ANY product aren't selling it. Just my cynical .02

 

Hey I never said anything bad about PS. IT does work, but just because someting "works" is that reason to believe nothing can work better?

That's like using the cheapest light bulb because hey it works right? I fall back in line on this one, it's just like the walmart thing.

p.s. you can get off yours knees now

 

Well, at the risk of getting everyone angry -- I'm not real happy with any of the products I've tried so far -- which is why I'm interested in Primrose. Both PowerService and Stanadyne have let fuel gell in the filter of my auxillary tank at 15*F, more than once -- and yes, I've used the right mixtures and products. There've been some notes in other forums to the effect that they have continual "quality control" problems. No one publishes solid literature on lubricity and other claims, beyond promises and a few outdated charts by "independent laboratories". I've actually pursued this at length with Shell's DFA, only to be told that it's "corporately confidential" -- which isn't even good English. Howe's makes my engine run noticeably louder -- which isn't good -- and I wouldn't touch Marvel Mystery Oil, because I actually know what's in it.

I think the snake oil factor is high in the additive area -- but at the same time, we need the stuff, with the sorry state of diesel fuel in the U.S., the climate, and -- where some of us are concerned -- the VP44 problem.

JMO, JMO.

 

I never said power service won't work, it's just the bottom of the barrel when additives are concerned. Cummins' aren't that picky about fuel or additives. TDI's and MB's are. I can tell you from first hand experience that at 5F, my MB starts and idled more smoothly on Stanadyne compared to PS. I never noticed any difference between PS and regular #2 in terms of smoothness or mpg. Stanadyne definitely made it smoother. If I agreed theoretically with demulsifiers, stanadyne is what I'd use. I dont put that much faith in our stock $10 water separator though, so I choose to run an additive with an emulsifier. The powerservice guys are like the rotella guys - not to be convinced....'if it gets the job done why do you need anything else?" Kinda like marrying a fat chick

 

seeing as I run most of my miles in Canada and the northern states, most of the fuel I purchase is not of questionable quality, unlike Florida fuels which I have heard (hearsay only) are not the greatest. Warm diesels aren't nearly as particular about their diet. Its npt so much that I can't be convinced but, I ask you in all sincerity if your life depended on your truck staying running, would you experiment with your additive or stick with one that you know works. It may not be the best, but it works. Period. So I'll stick with the fat chick and stay running and warm. It works for this moron.

 

Florida is in a PADD region with some of the better fuel in the country in fact I recently moved here after living most my life up north in Cleveland, which has cold temps and is in the PADD region known for some of the worst fuel. However, fuel 'quality' in the terms most people measure is not related to gel/cloud points, it's related to cetane, aromatic content, etc. Running primrose isn't experimenting with a new additive. I've been running it for a long time, as have many others...not to mention the majority of the diesels of the US military have been running primrose for years. Greatwhite nobody is trying to convince you here....just stating an educated opinion... You're on your own with the fat chicks