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07-07-2007 | 03:09 AM
#46
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From: Ohio: Home of the disappointing sports teams
How did this thread turn into a pulling / racing debate? I thought we were talking about dumb things people say about trucks?
07-11-2007 | 10:35 PM
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From: Mt. Washington, CA. (Los Angeles)
I did have a CTD in the past, and loved it...
However, I know have an Excursion w/ the 7.3 Navistar. I love it also. I have seen plenty of "International" powered tractors. I live in Los Angeles. Every one of the Los Angeles' Fire Dept. paramedic/ambulances are powered by the "Navistar/PowerStroke". I am not putting down the Cummins. It truly is epic. However, the Navistar/PowerStroke is proven. Particularly the 7.3. I know they have "better fleet deals" Whatever... The city is not going to gamble on unreliable emergency vehicles for the sake of price... That's one area they don't skimp. Even our trash trucks are Petes w/ polished wheels. (I think the polished wheels are a waste of money by the way) Anyhow, the Cummins is proven, no doubt. But, the Navistar/PowerStroke is also proven.
07-12-2007 | 07:18 AM
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From: Ohio: Home of the disappointing sports teams
[/QUOTE] The city is not going to gamble on unreliable emergency vehicles for the sake of price... That's one area they don't skimp. Even our trash trucks are Petes w/ polished wheels. (I think the polished wheels are a waste of money by the way) .[/QUOTE]
Off subject, however the old town I lived in invested into Hummer H1 for emergency response. Why we needed a $100,000 decked out Hummer for is beyond me. I don't even know of any hills around here, its all subdivisions.
Off subject, however the old town I lived in invested into Hummer H1 for emergency response. Why we needed a $100,000 decked out Hummer for is beyond me. I don't even know of any hills around here, its all subdivisions.
07-12-2007 | 07:42 PM
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The city is not going to gamble on unreliable emergency vehicles for the sake of price... That's one area they don't skimp. Even our trash trucks are Petes w/ polished wheels. (I think the polished wheels are a waste of money by the way) .[/QUOTE]
Off subject, however the old town I lived in invested into Hummer H1 for emergency response. Why we needed a $100,000 decked out Hummer for is beyond me. I don't even know of any hills around here, its all subdivisions.[/QUOTE]
I would imagine they got a heck of a discount on it, or perhaps it was some kind of exchange....never know with governments....
Off subject, however the old town I lived in invested into Hummer H1 for emergency response. Why we needed a $100,000 decked out Hummer for is beyond me. I don't even know of any hills around here, its all subdivisions.[/QUOTE]
I would imagine they got a heck of a discount on it, or perhaps it was some kind of exchange....never know with governments....
07-12-2007 | 09:57 PM
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Everyone always associates Isuzu with Japanese and says oh it's foreign. Be as it may, it is competing very well. And I bet that much of the technology that has furthered all "american" diesels has evolved from all over the world. I mean really, why does it matter where the engine comes from? None of the big 3 can claim to building their very own engines anyway.
07-14-2007 | 09:56 PM
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07-15-2007 | 01:40 AM
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I talked to this guy the at the pumps one time that drove a beat up f-250, he started a conversation with me so we talked a bit and i asked if he had a chip and he goes on to tell me ''i dont need it, i have 500 ci powerstroke.'' Said he had a 12v dodge that had every performance mod possible and started naming stuff i have never heard before and continued to tell me that it was a 98 12v dually with the 8sp allison and it ran 12.8. Hmm... 8spd allison thats a new one to me 
Then he tells me he sold it cause it had all this stuff on it and it only made 600 hp at the wheels but his stock powerstroke comes with 600 hp from the factory... 
I have heard some stuff but this topped it by far. If im lying im dying...swear on everything this guy really told me that.
Then he tells me he sold it cause it had all this stuff on it and it only made 600 hp at the wheels but his stock powerstroke comes with 600 hp from the factory... I have heard some stuff but this topped it by far. If im lying im dying...swear on everything this guy really told me that.
07-15-2007 | 01:43 AM
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I just finished reading all 3 pages of this post and lots of others and one thing that came to mind. Why are people here and else where always talking about how fast their truck ran the 1/4 and top speed. I always thought you bought a truck to tow or haul. The more you had to do with the truck the bigger one you bought. I once liked to have a fast vehicle so I bought a 5.0 mustang. Now before you all get on here and say that wasn't a fast car, it was a bit faster than all the stuff added to any of these makes of trucks to make them fast and all I did was pick up the car at the dealer.
I have a 2001.5 235hp that I use mostly as a driver, gets great mileage and has plenty power for me. I can't imagine driving fast on public roads in a truck that weighs 7000 + lbs on 265 10 ply tires.
Maybe my rant is not called for but I just don't understand.
I too dreamed about a diesel truck for many years. I read all the stuff and drove a 7.3 at work. I finally got the Dodge. Well then I found this site, which I have to say is one of the best on here with info. The problem is I went from being so happy about owning " THE BEST DIESEL TRUCK EVER" to finding out that the steering is bad, the fuel system is junk, front ends don't last, don't tow anything bigger than an atv or you have to up grade your transmission. Then they say the alloy rims split, and so on. Oh by the way the engines go for a million miles, well if its not a "53". Sorry I just get tired of "this is best and that is junk". I have driven 2-7.3's @ work for years. 1 is a powerstroke E 450 cube van and the other was a 92 non turbo 7.3 3/4. I can really say that they were great engines, may not been over powered but stayed on the road and got the job done. I'm a Dodge guy, I wear the hat and talk the talk but come on everyone they are trucks that we didn't make so lets not get crazy defending these high price piles of junk. I liked the comment a guy somewhere said about owning an old 300 6-cyl gas, I think it would be far less stressful to own. You could buy a new engine and drop it in for the price of a vp-44.
Anyway enough, sorry for the rant and getting off subject I am just a little disappointed with my truck. I can't enjoy a drive in it because i'm worried about something breaking while driving it. I have to say that I do not trust my truck enough to go any distance, I would not take it on vacation, I have lost all trust in the product. My truck runs great, has 40,000 miles on it but I have no faith after reading all the posts on this great site. 15 years of dreaming of the day I got a diesel turns into a cold sweat everytime I turn the key. I will continue to own and drive it for many years to come, I made a promise to the wife that these things go for ever and I wouldn't be wanting to ever get rid of it if I can have her( The Truck). I just hope that I can afford to keep it on the road.
I have a 2001.5 235hp that I use mostly as a driver, gets great mileage and has plenty power for me. I can't imagine driving fast on public roads in a truck that weighs 7000 + lbs on 265 10 ply tires.
Maybe my rant is not called for but I just don't understand.
I too dreamed about a diesel truck for many years. I read all the stuff and drove a 7.3 at work. I finally got the Dodge. Well then I found this site, which I have to say is one of the best on here with info. The problem is I went from being so happy about owning " THE BEST DIESEL TRUCK EVER" to finding out that the steering is bad, the fuel system is junk, front ends don't last, don't tow anything bigger than an atv or you have to up grade your transmission. Then they say the alloy rims split, and so on. Oh by the way the engines go for a million miles, well if its not a "53". Sorry I just get tired of "this is best and that is junk". I have driven 2-7.3's @ work for years. 1 is a powerstroke E 450 cube van and the other was a 92 non turbo 7.3 3/4. I can really say that they were great engines, may not been over powered but stayed on the road and got the job done. I'm a Dodge guy, I wear the hat and talk the talk but come on everyone they are trucks that we didn't make so lets not get crazy defending these high price piles of junk. I liked the comment a guy somewhere said about owning an old 300 6-cyl gas, I think it would be far less stressful to own. You could buy a new engine and drop it in for the price of a vp-44.
Anyway enough, sorry for the rant and getting off subject I am just a little disappointed with my truck. I can't enjoy a drive in it because i'm worried about something breaking while driving it. I have to say that I do not trust my truck enough to go any distance, I would not take it on vacation, I have lost all trust in the product. My truck runs great, has 40,000 miles on it but I have no faith after reading all the posts on this great site. 15 years of dreaming of the day I got a diesel turns into a cold sweat everytime I turn the key. I will continue to own and drive it for many years to come, I made a promise to the wife that these things go for ever and I wouldn't be wanting to ever get rid of it if I can have her( The Truck). I just hope that I can afford to keep it on the road.
07-15-2007 | 01:48 AM
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However, I know have an Excursion w/ the 7.3 Navistar. I love it also. I have seen plenty of "International" powered tractors. I live in Los Angeles. Every one of the Los Angeles' Fire Dept. paramedic/ambulances are powered by the "Navistar/PowerStroke". I am not putting down the Cummins. It truly is epic. However, the Navistar/PowerStroke is proven. Particularly the 7.3. I know they have "better fleet deals" Whatever... The city is not going to gamble on unreliable emergency vehicles for the sake of price... That's one area they don't skimp. Even our trash trucks are Petes w/ polished wheels. (I think the polished wheels are a waste of money by the way) Anyhow, the Cummins is proven, no doubt. But, the Navistar/PowerStroke is also proven.
Ambulances cost an arm and a leg.
07-15-2007 | 03:16 AM
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Ah this thread reminds me of the goof I had a conversation with a while back.
I had brought my dad's Nissan Titan for the day (went riding my dirtbike with a buddy) and he starts commenting on how its such a "sissy truck" and that its built with weak components such as the tow hooks and how his 97 Dodge 1/2 has tow hooks rated for 5000lb. My reply "too bad it can't pull that much", shut him down right then and there.
This is the guy who told me that GM owns half of Toyota and that Toyota was going to get the Duramax. My jaw dropped when I heard this and finally blew a fuse. I told him "thats rediculous, its like saying Ford owns Cummins"... he says "well they do". Ok now I'm just about losing my mind. I told him the facts about the above (Toyota investing a tiny bit into Isuzu and the Cummins deal). Somehow I still don't think it helped...
Lets face it, there are uneducated people all over that take saleman's word as gospel and refuse to believe anything else.
I had brought my dad's Nissan Titan for the day (went riding my dirtbike with a buddy) and he starts commenting on how its such a "sissy truck" and that its built with weak components such as the tow hooks and how his 97 Dodge 1/2 has tow hooks rated for 5000lb. My reply "too bad it can't pull that much", shut him down right then and there.
This is the guy who told me that GM owns half of Toyota and that Toyota was going to get the Duramax. My jaw dropped when I heard this and finally blew a fuse. I told him "thats rediculous, its like saying Ford owns Cummins"... he says "well they do". Ok now I'm just about losing my mind. I told him the facts about the above (Toyota investing a tiny bit into Isuzu and the Cummins deal). Somehow I still don't think it helped...
Lets face it, there are uneducated people all over that take saleman's word as gospel and refuse to believe anything else.
07-15-2007 | 10:52 AM
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Paranoid? Yes you might be right. I take most of what I read on this site as good information, not all. I was at a Cummins dealer the other day asking some questions about the lift pump. I may be paranoid but when the receptionist at the front counter knows all about the lift pump issues and the vp-44 related stuff and says "We do see alot of those trucks coming here with trouble". I guess I expected that after reading for years about how these trucks were the best and go for hunders of thousands of miles I was thinking they got to be the truck to have. I know that you have to do maintainence on stuff and that stuff breaks, its man made and man made this stuff to break. I just don't like to think that I may have to take a second mortgage on the house to keep the little old Dodge on the road. I just can't imagine if I was actually working the old girl, you would drive it a month and call you best friend the mechanic that you now are on a first name basis. Again I love my truck but I'm just discouraged that you have to be worried about this and that while on a drive. I like to keep things simple, no stress just something I can turn the key and hit the road.