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Old 10-08-2005 | 05:18 PM
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ding, ding, ding... we have a winner. It was the 2nd gen body style that rescued Dodge, not the Cummins.
Ill have to throw my .02 in, and say that it was both. At that time, the body style did become a great seller for them, but the Cummins made it all worth it, and really started the diesel craze.

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Old 10-08-2005 | 06:21 PM
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Gotta love this one. Talking to one of the diesel mechs here at the Furd dealership where I work and he says the 6.0 is a more powerful engine then the 7.3. I said how do you figure when people towing using that have to go up to a 4.73 rear end just to haul 10K? He (this is the good part) says that the 6.0 is more powerful when the truck is unloaded then the 7.3...

I tried to ask him how it is that the truck is more powerfull but only when unloaded. He got nice and arrogant and said, "Dude, I actually work on diesels!" Great argument... gotta love Furd.

Here's the good part; you and your blind followers are clueless!!!

The 6.0 not only outperforms the 7.3 but will take the Cummins when empty or loaded/towing. This has been proven in EVERY published article since introduction of the 6.0. I am of course talking about stock, off the dealer lot trucks.

The Cummins has more aftermarket support and at this time will accept more boost reliably. Once you start modding these diesels all bets are off and the Cummins should prevail.


Continuing with the clueless theme; there is no such animal as "4.73" gears from Ford.

I'm kinda thinking if you do work there you must be a lot boy......maybe the janitor??

You certainly know little about the trucks.
Old 10-08-2005 | 06:34 PM
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Gotta share this with you guys. My next door neighbor (a Ford guy) bought a fully loaded F-250 4X4 Texas Edition (just like George W's truck). He told me the other day that he had to add a box to it to get an additional 125 hp because his wife kept asking why the truck slowed down so much when they went up hills! He says that she is now more satisfied with how it can maintain speed on the hills. I didn't tell him that my old '92 CTD, with 160 hp, climbed hills so fast that you thought it would leave the ground at the top of the same hills his Ford struggled with.
Old 10-08-2005 | 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by yrdodgeownersdm
Here's the good part; you and your blind followers are clueless!!!

The 6.0 not only outperforms the 7.3 but will take the Cummins when empty or loaded/towing. This has been proven in EVERY published article since introduction of the 6.0. I am of course talking about stock, off the dealer lot trucks.

The Cummins has more aftermarket support and at this time will accept more boost reliably. Once you start modding these diesels all bets are off and the Cummins should prevail.


Continuing with the clueless theme; there is no such animal as "4.73" gears from Ford.

I'm kinda thinking if you do work there you must be a lot boy......maybe the janitor??

You certainly know little about the trucks.
WOW, Go back to sleep and wake up on the right side of the bed.
Old 10-08-2005 | 09:04 PM
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ROFLMAO!!

More aftermarket support, yeah we that parts from one turbo and hammer them
on another one.

We grind fuel pins on a bench grinder to push more fuel.

We have to steal VW governor springs to get 3000 RPM.

We even use old drill bits to open up the injectors.

Now that he can spell mechanic, he are one.
Old 10-08-2005 | 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by yrdodgeownersdm
Here's the good part; you and your blind followers are clueless!!!

The 6.0 not only outperforms the 7.3 but will take the Cummins when empty or loaded/towing. This has been proven in EVERY published article since introduction of the 6.0. I am of course talking about stock, off the dealer lot trucks.

The Cummins has more aftermarket support and at this time will accept more boost reliably. Once you start modding these diesels all bets are off and the Cummins should prevail.


Continuing with the clueless theme; there is no such animal as "4.73" gears from Ford.

I'm kinda thinking if you do work there you must be a lot boy......maybe the janitor??

You certainly know little about the trucks.
Well. I outran one of these awesome beasts(right ) at the drag strip twice with my 94 CTD with the stock transmission, and only $200 in mods if I ground my own plate.I will also hook to a trailer against one anyday. Oh; i almost forgot that my Cummins has 185k miles, and gets 22mpg on the highway... Also, the towing part on all the articles was done with automatics. Get you a 6 spd, and then tell me who wins. Its not so easy to slip past the clutch into your torque over 2k rpm like it is with an automatic when you have a manual. You will be lugging in every gear until 2000-2200rpm or so before you ever start getting ANY power. Heck; driving empty with one is bad enough. All while the cummins will be picking up strong at 1400rpm, and pull hard all the way to 3k, and shift, and be right back in the torque again, while you are still trying to get spooled in 1st. The 7.3's also have decent power around 1600-1800rpm's. Not hardly a cummins, but plenty respectable none the less. Those magazines wont bite the hand who feeds them either if you know what i mean(maybe ford sponsors them ). I like the 7.3 powerstrokes. Good solid motor, but the 6.0 is one of those keep it till 50k and hope you can limp it back to the dealer to trade it in things.

Eric
Old 10-09-2005 | 01:08 AM
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Originally Posted by cumminsdriver635
Well. I outran one of these awesome beasts(right ) at the drag strip twice with my 94 CTD with the stock transmission, and only $200 in mods if I ground my own plate.I will also hook to a trailer against one anyday. Oh; i almost forgot that my Cummins has 185k miles, and gets 22mpg on the highway... Also, the towing part on all the articles was done with automatics. Get you a 6 spd, and then tell me who wins. Its not so easy to slip past the clutch into your torque over 2k rpm like it is with an automatic when you have a manual. You will be lugging in every gear until 2000-2200rpm or so before you ever start getting ANY power. Heck; driving empty with one is bad enough. All while the cummins will be picking up strong at 1400rpm, and pull hard all the way to 3k, and shift, and be right back in the torque again, while you are still trying to get spooled in 1st. The 7.3's also have decent power around 1600-1800rpm's. Not hardly a cummins, but plenty respectable none the less. Those magazines wont bite the hand who feeds them either if you know what i mean(maybe ford sponsors them ). I like the 7.3 powerstrokes. Good solid motor, but the 6.0 is one of those keep it till 50k and hope you can limp it back to the dealer to trade it in things.

Eric


Look, I'm not here to extoll or knock the Cummins.

The original poster is a knucklehead...........there are no 4.73 gears, the 6.0 walks the 7.3 and the Cummins stock and that is that.

Automatics allows more torque multiplication.........so maybe that's how the 6.0 is tuned. The fact that the majority of trucks are sold with slush boxes may have something to do with that.

Haven't seen any numbers running 6 speeds.....you could be 100% correct but the results speak for themselves when testing automatics.


Try to remember I totally concede the Cummins has the most potential and will take the most abuse........whether buying it from a tuner or wrenching yourself it makes little difference to me how it's done.

But to come here spouting nonsense about non-existent gear ratios and "too much turbo" is just goofy.

Not accepting the fact the 6.0 (good or bad) has 70 feet pounds more torque and 50 more HP than the 7.3 and then arguing about it really shows one's true intelligence (or lack thereof)
Old 10-09-2005 | 01:42 AM
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Originally Posted by tmleadr03
The reason the 6.0 gets those lovely numbers is due to too much turbo. The engine just cant handle that. And if it does produce so much more power, why does it have so much more trouble towing?
what in gods name are you talking about, "too much turbo" do you just make this stuff up as you go... i have given you hard numbers that the 6.0 is more powerfull than a 7.3 and you say it has "too much turbo" admitt it, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Old 10-09-2005 | 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by tmleadr03
The reason the 6.0 gets those lovely numbers is due to too much turbo. The engine just cant handle that. And if it does produce so much more power, why does it have so much more trouble towing?

to much turbo? huh care to explain?

and would somone here show me a link to the 4.73 rear for the ford. the only option for them is 3.73,4.10 and 4.30.
Old 10-09-2005 | 01:05 PM
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6.0

COMPUTER CONTROLLED turbo.. equals the disillusionment that it is MORE POWERFUL than a 7.3 down low, and empty, dont get me wrong 6.0s are fast, stock i can take them but modded I dont even try,,, good lord tho.... and from my understanding they are finally waking these beasts up with good programs, heck its been said that they have dragged dodges around before as well... my theory is if they can beef up that bottom end, HOLD ON that 6.0 will be a real animal. But i still dont perfer it over the 7.3 Ive towed with both, and empty have driven both, empty that 6.0 is like a gasser as well as when its towing... not my kinda feel...

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Old 10-09-2005 | 10:01 PM
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My favorite powerstroke dribble is: "who wants a truck to last that long anyway?" Slays me, they must get it out of their owner manual.

But nothing really compares with the sickly look when the go for a ride. All the fairy tales and ghost stories about the inferior Dodge go up like a poof of smoke. Black smoke I might add.

Someone dig up that pic of the connecting rods and maybe throw one in of the cummins block with arrows pointing to the seven MONSTEROUS mains.
Then they will always fall back on "of course, Ford owning Cummins anyway".

And you want proof Dodges are better?
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You gotta love trolls though. But sometimes I can't tell whether they really are ford owners or dodge owners and they make this stuff up.
Old 10-09-2005 | 10:10 PM
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