feel sorry for ford guys
08-04-2005 | 05:26 PM
#31
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I not saying I dont love my truck, I just wish it had the interior room like my Ford did, but I would and did sacrafice the roomy interior for the Cummins. The undesputed king of pickup diesel's..
08-09-2005 | 09:10 AM
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Fellers - I'm glad to see a few fellow Ford owners here, and glad they like their CTD's. I told the TDR crowd years ago that I'd have my 2000 model for 10 years at a minimum. A few more months and it'll be 6 years I'll have had my truck. It has about 87k on it and feels as tight as the day I bought it. I have had one LP failure and still on the original tires, believe it or not. I've had to replace the front brake pads once, a few months back. It has been one hard working cost efficient truck. And I'm dang proud of it.
But now with the talk of this Mega Cab, and seeing the pictures, I may have to cut my truck off at about 8 years of ownership. We'll see. But I just know if I sell my truck, the next one I get will not be as trouble free as this one has been ... and I'll wish I had kept my old truck. And there will be one happy dude on the roads driving my old truck.
As for the Fords, I love the old school square bodies. I think they're '94 - 97 or something like that. Those look like "trucks" to me. And the 7.3's are pretty dang good. What I can't understand is the stupidity of Ford.
Let's see, you have a fairly proven, fairly reliable 7.3L. Instead of working from that platform, you decide to go to a newer 6.0L, and screw with Navistar on the programming and timing on getting the engine to market and screw things up.
Look at what's going on now with HD trucks. We have a classic power war. The DMax sounds like its going to be a hoss in the next few years. The ISB can just 'turn a rheostat' and get more (more or less). And Ford acts like they've never heard the phrase, "there's no substitute for cubic inches," and downsizes their engine in the SD trucks. ***? And to compete with GM and Dodge, they'll have to turn up the wick on an unreliable POS. That scares the pooh out of me and I have no plan to buy a Ford. Or Ford will have to develop a new engine. Talk about throwing away money (i.e. the 6.0crapwhatdidIbuy).
I've heard people say things like, Ford/Navistar couldn't make the 7.3L meet the new emissions, so they had to go to the 6.0L. That is a complete load of garbage. So man can fly to the moon, but yet can't make a 7.3L meet emissions? My hiney. There was more to than that, my opinion on that would be speculation so I'll just leave it out.
Ford's got to do something, that 6.0 has been a 3 or 4 year nightmare now. I've even heard rumors that Dodge might even drop the 6.7L Cummins in the Dodge's. Course that's just rumor and I'm not sure if 6.7L was the right displacement. And I'm pretty sure the 5.9L still has some power left in reserve. I'm fine with a 6.7L as long as there's not too much sacrifice for mileage. That would be smooth for me to get a MegaCab with a 6.7L engine. Real smooth. Sorry for the long post.
- JyRO
But now with the talk of this Mega Cab, and seeing the pictures, I may have to cut my truck off at about 8 years of ownership. We'll see. But I just know if I sell my truck, the next one I get will not be as trouble free as this one has been ... and I'll wish I had kept my old truck. And there will be one happy dude on the roads driving my old truck.
As for the Fords, I love the old school square bodies. I think they're '94 - 97 or something like that. Those look like "trucks" to me. And the 7.3's are pretty dang good. What I can't understand is the stupidity of Ford.
Let's see, you have a fairly proven, fairly reliable 7.3L. Instead of working from that platform, you decide to go to a newer 6.0L, and screw with Navistar on the programming and timing on getting the engine to market and screw things up.
Look at what's going on now with HD trucks. We have a classic power war. The DMax sounds like its going to be a hoss in the next few years. The ISB can just 'turn a rheostat' and get more (more or less). And Ford acts like they've never heard the phrase, "there's no substitute for cubic inches," and downsizes their engine in the SD trucks. ***? And to compete with GM and Dodge, they'll have to turn up the wick on an unreliable POS. That scares the pooh out of me and I have no plan to buy a Ford. Or Ford will have to develop a new engine. Talk about throwing away money (i.e. the 6.0crapwhatdidIbuy).
I've heard people say things like, Ford/Navistar couldn't make the 7.3L meet the new emissions, so they had to go to the 6.0L. That is a complete load of garbage. So man can fly to the moon, but yet can't make a 7.3L meet emissions? My hiney. There was more to than that, my opinion on that would be speculation so I'll just leave it out.
Ford's got to do something, that 6.0 has been a 3 or 4 year nightmare now. I've even heard rumors that Dodge might even drop the 6.7L Cummins in the Dodge's. Course that's just rumor and I'm not sure if 6.7L was the right displacement. And I'm pretty sure the 5.9L still has some power left in reserve. I'm fine with a 6.7L as long as there's not too much sacrifice for mileage. That would be smooth for me to get a MegaCab with a 6.7L engine. Real smooth. Sorry for the long post.
- JyRO
08-10-2005 | 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by suzukiZrider
I feel like the outcast here am I the only ford man here
I feel like the outcast here am I the only ford man here
I came here before I bought my 95 CC, CTD 3 years ago and I saw the support so now I'm here to stay, just got my 05 and hate to see the 95 'Ol stinky' go but i gotta move on. 2 months ago I stopped to help a guy with a major tranny fluid leak in a van, boy was i surprised to see it was a powerstroke. Ford nailed a good marketing niche there. Fords have ALWAYS had strong reliable chassis but Dodge has come leaps and bounds.
come over to the dark side Luke. we'll take care of you. DAVE
08-25-2005 | 10:51 PM
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I've been registered on this site for a while and enjoy reading about the Dodge truck. I also am registered on the GM sites as well. I poke around on TDR where my limited access allows since I'm not interested in dishing out the entrance fee. Of course I'm a member of TDS and read a lot of the posts on there. I've noticed the following:
Ford guys love their trucks...sometimes, it seems to me, to a fault. If I had a 6.0 that gave me problems, it would be down the road and so would I.
Ford guys don't care for Dodge trucks. There may be, oh say, 5 Ford guys on the planet that don't like the Cummins though. Its probably a general consensus that the I6 is a fantastic engine. I envy you guys for that.
Dodge guys love their trucks. Most are willing to conceded that, prior to the MegaCab, the compromise of a smaller back seat for the fantastic engine is a fair trade.
TDR Dodge guys are the quickest people I have ever seen to criticize Ford truck owners. Not the good old fashion, you should sell that POS Ford type, but the Ford owner personally. I have seen the ugliest posts on that site and on TDS, since its free, going way beyond the truck discussions and really show nothing but a lack of maturity.
GM owners just seem happy as all get out that they aren't dealing with the old gas converted diesels anymore and get along with everyone. My company ride is a 2005 Duramax and even though the truck is bare bones, its really a lot of fun to drive.
My whole point to this post is to compliment the group on the very civilzed manner that everyone gets along. Yeah, Powerjoke is funny...its all in good fun. But when things get heated up and the discussion turns to hating the owner more then the truck, no good can come from that.
Since my truck was bought for the sole purpose of light towing, I was able to make my decision of my preference in late 2001. For me, I didn't even really need the diesel but after crunching numbers, it seemed to make the most sense. So, I asked myself, in 2001: "Self, if I needed a truck, whether it be gas or diesel, what TRUCK would I want"? My personal preference was the Ford. That is subjective but thats what I decided. The 7.3 didn't have issues so my mind was made up.
There certainly seems like a lot of people posting with issues they are having with their new Fords. I have thought about updating mine as its a 2002 but it almost seems like a roll of the dice. Not something I really care to do. Fortunately with only 42k miles on the old 7.3, I really don't have to worry too much for awhile. When that time does finally come, I'd probably ask the same question. Its great to me in America because they all seem to be getting better every year. Its also great that Dodge decided to get into the crew cab market.
Even those POS PowerJokes..>
Ford guys love their trucks...sometimes, it seems to me, to a fault. If I had a 6.0 that gave me problems, it would be down the road and so would I.
Ford guys don't care for Dodge trucks. There may be, oh say, 5 Ford guys on the planet that don't like the Cummins though. Its probably a general consensus that the I6 is a fantastic engine. I envy you guys for that.
Dodge guys love their trucks. Most are willing to conceded that, prior to the MegaCab, the compromise of a smaller back seat for the fantastic engine is a fair trade.
TDR Dodge guys are the quickest people I have ever seen to criticize Ford truck owners. Not the good old fashion, you should sell that POS Ford type, but the Ford owner personally. I have seen the ugliest posts on that site and on TDS, since its free, going way beyond the truck discussions and really show nothing but a lack of maturity.
GM owners just seem happy as all get out that they aren't dealing with the old gas converted diesels anymore and get along with everyone. My company ride is a 2005 Duramax and even though the truck is bare bones, its really a lot of fun to drive.
My whole point to this post is to compliment the group on the very civilzed manner that everyone gets along. Yeah, Powerjoke is funny...its all in good fun. But when things get heated up and the discussion turns to hating the owner more then the truck, no good can come from that.
Since my truck was bought for the sole purpose of light towing, I was able to make my decision of my preference in late 2001. For me, I didn't even really need the diesel but after crunching numbers, it seemed to make the most sense. So, I asked myself, in 2001: "Self, if I needed a truck, whether it be gas or diesel, what TRUCK would I want"? My personal preference was the Ford. That is subjective but thats what I decided. The 7.3 didn't have issues so my mind was made up.
There certainly seems like a lot of people posting with issues they are having with their new Fords. I have thought about updating mine as its a 2002 but it almost seems like a roll of the dice. Not something I really care to do. Fortunately with only 42k miles on the old 7.3, I really don't have to worry too much for awhile. When that time does finally come, I'd probably ask the same question. Its great to me in America because they all seem to be getting better every year. Its also great that Dodge decided to get into the crew cab market.
Even those POS PowerJokes..>
08-25-2005 | 11:23 PM
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7.3s are OK, but they don't hold a candle to the Cummins, from what I can tell.
7.3s lack low end torque. They've got a lot of problematic "stuff" on them. The CPS goes about every 50K. The turbo pedestals leak oil from time to time. The turbo bolts fall out, though that doesn't seem to matter. The exhaust up pipes start leaking. The IPR seems to go from time to time. The HP oil system seems to spring a leak from time to time, resulting in a truck that doesn't start. The glow plug relays burn out. The injectors seem to give a lot of trouble. They run terrible when cold until they warm up. Etc, etc, etc.
Nothing big. Generally they always start and run, but lots of little issues with them.
And you are supposed to change oil every 3.5K when towing ! Man that goes by quick.
A 7.3 might be a bit faster than a stock 215HP Cummins, but after you own one for a while and deal with these sorts of things you'd gladly trade any extra power it might have for a bit of ownership peace.
The powerband is actually pretty peaky on those engines. They make 500 ftlbs at 1600, and I doubt that, but they feel out of breath at 2600.
The torque curve on my 05 is flat from 1600 to 2900 and it is a breath of fresh air compared to the 7.3
I love my Cummins, so far. I'd wouldn't want to go back to a 7.3 and I'd never get a 6L.
7.3s lack low end torque. They've got a lot of problematic "stuff" on them. The CPS goes about every 50K. The turbo pedestals leak oil from time to time. The turbo bolts fall out, though that doesn't seem to matter. The exhaust up pipes start leaking. The IPR seems to go from time to time. The HP oil system seems to spring a leak from time to time, resulting in a truck that doesn't start. The glow plug relays burn out. The injectors seem to give a lot of trouble. They run terrible when cold until they warm up. Etc, etc, etc.
Nothing big. Generally they always start and run, but lots of little issues with them.
And you are supposed to change oil every 3.5K when towing ! Man that goes by quick.
A 7.3 might be a bit faster than a stock 215HP Cummins, but after you own one for a while and deal with these sorts of things you'd gladly trade any extra power it might have for a bit of ownership peace.
The powerband is actually pretty peaky on those engines. They make 500 ftlbs at 1600, and I doubt that, but they feel out of breath at 2600.
The torque curve on my 05 is flat from 1600 to 2900 and it is a breath of fresh air compared to the 7.3
I love my Cummins, so far. I'd wouldn't want to go back to a 7.3 and I'd never get a 6L.
08-26-2005 | 09:05 AM
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Originally posted by Superduty
7.3s are OK, but they don't hold a candle to the Cummins, from what I can tell.
The powerband is actually pretty peaky on those engines. They make 500 ftlbs at 1600, and I doubt that, but they feel out of breath at 2600.
The torque curve on my 05 is flat from 1600 to 2900 and it is a breath of fresh air compared to the 7.3
I love my Cummins, so far. I'd wouldn't want to go back to a 7.3 and I'd never get a 6L.
7.3s are OK, but they don't hold a candle to the Cummins, from what I can tell.
The powerband is actually pretty peaky on those engines. They make 500 ftlbs at 1600, and I doubt that, but they feel out of breath at 2600.
The torque curve on my 05 is flat from 1600 to 2900 and it is a breath of fresh air compared to the 7.3
I love my Cummins, so far. I'd wouldn't want to go back to a 7.3 and I'd never get a 6L.
He liked the truck and engine, but at 107K he was scared of the little parts that were starting to go bad (he knew they weren't bulletproof), so he traded it on an 02 3500 HO/6 speed Cummins.
My stock 95 Cummins could pull ahead of the PS in the first 3 gears, but then his turbo spooled and the extra gear left me playing catchup...and #10 and 3K GSK took care of that BIG TIME.
Chris
08-26-2005 | 11:09 AM
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99.5 -01 power strokes
came with the high output 6 speed tranny and 275 horses from the factory, MUCH STRONGER than an auto, and they had if im not mistaken 525 ft lbs of tq, But similar to your friend, mine who had one traded it in.. His was a SRW 350 i believe..
Tx
came with the high output 6 speed tranny and 275 horses from the factory, MUCH STRONGER than an auto, and they had if im not mistaken 525 ft lbs of tq, But similar to your friend, mine who had one traded it in.. His was a SRW 350 i believe..
Tx
08-26-2005 | 09:08 PM
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While I have a Hemi on my rear, I still have Cummins in my blood. On another forum, one of the more "in your face" PSD owners blurted out the usual "real trucks don't have spark plugs" line. I would be more inclined to agree with that statement coming from a Cummins owner. Reason being, "real trucks don't have glow plugs either". I replied as such and he hasn't replied back. I guess there's not much to say...
My four Cummins powered Rams were virtually trouble free. My '03 had the dreaded driveline vibe that DC gave up on. I was gun-shy of another Cummins powered Ram until the vibe issue was history. That only left one other option as "I'd rather have a Dodge with a Hemi than a Ford with a PSD". At just over 20k miles, no cackle, leaks, reflashes, romp, dead peddle, bad sensors, faulty injectors or any other issues or concerns. Nothing but good reliable uninterupted service. It's a thirsty beast but reliable. I think I made the right choice until the next Cummins powered Ram sits in our driveway.
My four Cummins powered Rams were virtually trouble free. My '03 had the dreaded driveline vibe that DC gave up on. I was gun-shy of another Cummins powered Ram until the vibe issue was history. That only left one other option as "I'd rather have a Dodge with a Hemi than a Ford with a PSD". At just over 20k miles, no cackle, leaks, reflashes, romp, dead peddle, bad sensors, faulty injectors or any other issues or concerns. Nothing but good reliable uninterupted service. It's a thirsty beast but reliable. I think I made the right choice until the next Cummins powered Ram sits in our driveway.
08-26-2005 | 10:39 PM
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i know that the cummins is a great diesel but its not problem free and its not like the 7.3 wont give you a heck of alot of miles of service out of it not like the cummins but its not some little piece of **** engine some of you guys need to understand that yes the cummins is good but its had its fair share of problems such as the KDP, VP44 pumps, 53 blocks i mean every brand has its problems i just dont see why some of yall cant accept people that dont drive a dodge with a **** cummins under the hood there good but there not problem free as with the international its good but not problem free some of you guys just need to get off you "we got the best truck" thing i mean yea there great trucks but god there still dodges i mean whats the big deal glow plugs or grid heater the do the same god damed thing so just get over it and you know what i feel sorry for people like you who think you got the best of everything yea there good motors in a dodge so what if everyone on this site couldnt afford the frickin expencive dodge well the ford does the job and does it pretty dang well so get over it
08-26-2005 | 10:40 PM
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Originally posted by suzukiZrider
i know that the cummins is a great diesel but its not problem free and its not like the 7.3 wont give you a heck of alot of miles of service out of it not like the cummins but its not some little piece of **** engine some of you guys need to understand that yes the cummins is good but its had its fair share of problems such as the KDP, VP44 pumps, 53 blocks i mean every brand has its problems i just dont see why some of yall cant accept people that dont drive a dodge with a **** cummins under the hood there good but there not problem free as with the international its good but not problem free some of you guys just need to get off you "we got the best truck" thing i mean yea there great trucks but god there still dodges i mean whats the big deal glow plugs or grid heater the do the same god damed thing so just get over it
i know that the cummins is a great diesel but its not problem free and its not like the 7.3 wont give you a heck of alot of miles of service out of it not like the cummins but its not some little piece of **** engine some of you guys need to understand that yes the cummins is good but its had its fair share of problems such as the KDP, VP44 pumps, 53 blocks i mean every brand has its problems i just dont see why some of yall cant accept people that dont drive a dodge with a **** cummins under the hood there good but there not problem free as with the international its good but not problem free some of you guys just need to get off you "we got the best truck" thing i mean yea there great trucks but god there still dodges i mean whats the big deal glow plugs or grid heater the do the same god damed thing so just get over it
Mike