Sooo the engine problems MUST be from modifications? Wonder if it's "after market" dirt and water that gets into the inner spindle bearing on the HD 4x4's, because it's not a sealed unit like the hub and requires maintenance they don't warn you about. Guess the "aftermarket" moisture and grime is too much for the stub shaft that can only be replaced by purchaseing the entire $5000 front axle as a unit when it gets gouged up. But it's not a design flaw at all. If your gonna play in that "performance" highway grime, roadsalt, etc., you should have the forsight to sacrifice the sealed hub unit to get to the inner spindle bearing for routing greaseing somewhere before 80,000 miles.

Still want to stick a cummins in a ford?

 

Problem Solved.

 

If you don't care about the warranty, anything can be worked around, especially a couple lines of code, and removing parts, but it's the inspection stops that might be hard to get by. Here in Fla. you just had to register your cars in another county to beat that, but that was getting harder to do also at the time..

 

The way I see it is warranties should be for people who want them. Modders should get their warranties voided no matter what the mod is. If you can mod your truck, you should be able to accept the consequences. If I were an auto manufacturer, I wouldn't honor warranty claims on vehicles with aftermarket parts.

I work on computers and trucks are a lot like them. If you open a PC from dell that is a month old, you could your warranty. The manufacturer has no idea if you know what you are doing or not and is trying to prevent Jo blow from messing something up and then trying to get it repaired for free.

Go look at the rant thread in the "other" section. Most folks on here don't like stupid people or the stupid things they do. Manufacturers have to find ways to prevent stupid people from doing stupid things, and sadly it affects us all.

I personally think anyone that drives a 6.0 or buys a 6.4 deserves what they get. I say this because there is too much information around to make such a poor decision. People are brand loyal, they just view snafu's like the 6.0 as a bump in the road. You can bet the ford forums are busting with threads about how the 6.4 is gonna kill all other diesels. Is there any factual basis to this claim? No, because it hasn't even been out for more than 6 months, so they are all just speculating, which is pointless. Would they listen if one of our more informed was to enter a discussion and give proof that their engine is crap and cummins is better? No, because they think your a dodge guy and just want to give ford a bad name. They don't care about facts (most of them) heck, they even think ford owns cummins and for some reason I only hear this from ford folks. Is this their way of trying to make ford look good? Sounds like it doesn't it? But think about this. If ford makes cummins and cummins is better than powerstroke, then how stupid is ford for not using cummins in the f550 and lower? I guess they've never heard of logic either.

Either way we are fighting a losing battle as far as emissions go.

The epa's formula is: lower mpg because of emissions restrictions. Now doesn't a gal of diesel have the same emissions no matter what the epa wants? So more mpg = less emissions less mpg = more emissions. epa's view: lower mpg=lower emissions?

 

I seriously doubt this...

we've had those roadside sniffers in TX for like 10yrs... they measure smog and take a pic of your plate. They do this in areas that have smog restrictions and they see how many vehicles are from other counties, and if there are a lot of vehicles from a particular county, eventually they end up being a smog county.

I have smogged out so many of those things I can't even count... I've never received any sort of letter or fine, etc.

and uh, couldn't you run stacks or if you have a 4x4, just some sort of turn-up tip like the ricers?

don't get me wrong, I firmly believe that they are "out to get me", but I don't think the sky is falling as fast as some think

 

With stuff like this it's just a waiting game. We won't know anything util new regs come out or somebody finds a way to mod a 6.7

 

The 6.7 has not been out any longer... How do you know the 6.4 is crap?

Yeah, I think it is an overly complex design, but Navistar can build a good engine, and did for Ford for years. If it is a dud like the 6.0 we will find out soon enough. Although I would personally like it to succeed. Continue to further innovation in the market. Maybe a 6.7 with twin turbos and a less complicated injection system than the 6.4 will come down the pipe if it proves to be a viable option for a production truck.

 

I don't see this affecting me in any way... I love my 12-valve.. what's a programmer?

I'm sure I could get a ticket if I do something stoopid, making a cloud in front of an officer, but that's true of anything- going to get a ticket for exhibition of speed if I spin the tires deliberately...

I like the features of the new trucks, but shy of getting a megacab for when the kids grow (but I still want a longbed), there's none I REALLY >need<...
the more gadgets, the more there is to break...

think I'll just get my cab custom lengthened when I really need the room- I'd have to pay to get a LB on a Megacab anyway, so why not build my LB into a megacab instead, and keep my beloved 12v...

maybe I'll get a 24v someday... but I'll need custom P7100 injector lines to install it on this truck...

 

Well if Ford does do this then they will have to fix it to where it run normal for Free as you are allowed to do what ever you want to it as you do own it and they have no right to tell you that you can’t use after market part on your vehicle. They can say we will now void the warranty but they cannot shut down the engine forever because if what parts you put on the engine. That is unless the EPA makes a big change in the law to where you can only use Ford, GMC, Dodge made parts and I don’t see that going over very well with anyone.

IIRC right now it is against the law to make anything and put on to a car/truck that can shut down the engine and leave a person stranded on the side of the road.

 

That probably IS true...We're talking about FORD 6.0's here!!!

 

Actually it has been out longer , it has been out for almost 4-5 years for sure , just not in the automotive market. And I have not heard of any kind of excessive failures, in fact , the only failure i know of , was caused by some casting sand that got left in an engine somehow and spun a main bearing.

 

Back from another day of class. Wow this thread is rocking! A few more points to consider. Yes I am a Ford tech and drive a Dodge. Before this I had a 1999 2500 suburban. I loved that truck. Did not care that the 454 got 10 mpg what did that truck in for me was the incredibly poor brake design. I replaced front brakes on that truck every 6k miles. The rears never. But the rotors were constantly warped and I would not stop a trailer with anything less than perfect brakes on the trailer. I get no flak from people I work with.

I have always been interested in all kinds of cars and have been very interested in keeping track of the market in general. I feel like while I certainly have my own preferences in vehicles I can honestly say no one has it all right.

When I bought my truck it was after a few years of a sabbatical in which I worked for a Dodge dealer. My truck, a manual trans. diesel was the only truck I would have bought from Dodge. Their automatic trans at that time was incredibly behind the times technology wise and so were there gas engines. Ford had many trans issues with the 7.3L also. That has pretty much been fixed with this generation of trans. Gm seems to have gotten it right from the beginning with their Allison. Of course they were way behind the curve in diesels until they came out with the duramax. Whatever you want to trash about your buddies truck he can probably find something that sucks about your truck too. I am obviously talking about stock vehicles. All have had there problems. Dodge for years did not grow with technology, the interior in my truck, while I am happy with it, was woefully outdated by 2002. As were several other aspects. They did not feel obviously as a company that they could afford or wanted to afford to put the money needed into a truck that they did not feel was their primary source of income. Think about it. Regardless of your feelings Dodge has been number three in full sized truck sales for years. and they have had almost no presence in the fleet market. How many Dodge tow trucks do you see compared to Fords? It is not a comparison of their abilities just their parent companies priorities. I don't believe Dodge even offered a true cab and chassis for several years. Something they have recently rectified. Obviously they see a place for them to take some share of that market. I am glad to see that. Competition is the best thing for any truck you decide to drive. It makes them all better. The new Toyota and Nissan full sized, while you may never drive one or own one will in the long run make Ford, Chevy and Dodge build better trucks. If only to try to maintain market share. That is a fact.

I am not trashing any one company just saying that if you look at all vehicles from a unprejudiced view they all have their strengths and weaknesses.

The new 6.4 does look much improved. The engineer did speak of the head gasket issues with the 6.0 which he said they actively worked to fix, also the nightmare of wiring problems the 6.0 had.

It is government intervention that will at least slow down the aftermarket hot rodding of diesels. It has come about, I believe by the huge numbers that are sold with diesels now. It was not long ago when the only people who bought diesels pickups were for fleet use. The average diesel was not strong enough to do much towing. That has all changed. I am continually amazed at the amount of customers who I see who have bought a F-350 and come in with not a mark in their bed or a hint of a trailer ever being hooked up. It is this new burgeoning market of personal use diesel trucks that is driving the EPA to force stricter and stricter regulations and monitoring.

These are obviously just my observations on an incredibly complex and constantly changing market and I really can claim to know nothing more than the average guy who reads the paper and watches the news. I may have some industry insider knowledge but it is really nothing other than keeping my ears open and trying to not have too much of a bias one way or the other.

I do love my Dodge. I have had a ton of fun customizing it and feel that all of my changes or add-ons have made a good truck better. Most of that knowledge I got from here. So thanks to all for that.

 

Well if you can't put in a programer, what about propane inljection?

 

atleast the new 6.4 doesnt really have to be modified, the engine has some pretty impressive specs on it. the dual turbo system seems like a smart move too.

 

Ford can barely get 1 VGT that will live. Let alone 2.