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Old 01-23-2008 | 11:29 PM
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Any truck shop should have em'. I got mine at an International dealer close to me. I also bought one on Ebay. Usually between $20-$22 each.
Old 01-23-2008 | 11:46 PM
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Thanks, Where do you buy the 49's and how muck?
I would imagine Milton Cat would have them. Associated diesel on Freeport St. in Boston has baldwin versions of it.

http://www.adiesel.com/baldwinfilters/BF7587.html
Old 01-24-2008 | 12:06 PM
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Hastings part #FF1079, made and owned by Baldwin, 2 micron, 5 absolute.


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Old 01-28-2008 | 09:30 AM
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Hello,

Guess I am a bit confused. What filters are 2 micron and fit the stock housing.

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Old 01-28-2008 | 09:32 AM
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Hello,

Guess I am a bit confused. What filters are 2 micron and fit the stock housing.

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None that I'm aware of...
Old 01-28-2008 | 09:34 AM
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Hello,

Guess I am a bit confused. What filters are 2 micron and fit the stock housing.

Thanks

Damon
Well 2 micron is the size of the particle the filter will catch. Baldwin's PF7977 is a 5 micron filter that will fit in the canister. It can filter down to 2 micron but it is absolute down to 5 micron. One the bummers with this filter is it clogs up fast, about 5000 miles but it does keep a lot of crap out of the engine.
Old 01-28-2008 | 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by rufushusky
Well 2 micron is the size of the particle the filter will catch. Baldwin's PF7977 is a 5 micron filter that will fit in the canister. It can filter down to 2 micron but it is absolute down to 5 micron. One the bummers with this filter is it clogs up fast, about 5000 miles but it does keep a lot of crap out of the engine.
The filter does hold almost twice the dirt that the OEM one does, so I really cant see it clogging that much faster... thou I dont have an LP to tell... But the OEM holds 13 or 14gr of dirt, and the baldwin holds 27g. That tells me that even with finer filtering it will still last at least 10K.
Old 01-28-2008 | 10:00 AM
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The filter does hold almost twice the dirt that the OEM one does, so I really cant see it clogging that much faster... thou I dont have an LP to tell... But the OEM holds 13 or 14gr of dirt, and the baldwin holds 27g. That tells me that even with finer filtering it will still last at least 10K.
Really? I just pulled mine and it was really nasty. My fuel economy started to dip so I pulled it and it was the nastiest fuel filter that I have seen, since I pulled the one that was in the canister when I purchased it. It could be just the nasty fuel they give us in mass.
Old 01-28-2008 | 10:05 AM
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Really? I just pulled mine and it was really nasty. My fuel economy started to dip so I pulled it and it was the nastiest fuel filter that I have seen, since I pulled the one that was in the canister when I purchased it. It could be just the nasty fuel they give us in mass.

Wow... I will have to keep an eye on mine.. I actually have a Donaldson in right now, but my baldwins are sitting at my dads for when I go up next month.

Here is what I found on the common fuel filters for the HPCR.


So after reading a few threads on fuel filters and getting conflicting information I did some more research.. As it stands right now I can only find 2 fuel filters that meet current CR specs. Fleetguard (Cummins/Mopar) and Baldwin. Wix isnt close, Donaldson isnt close...

Current specs, based on TSB 14-007-06 5.9 CR motors require a 7 micron absolute filter. While the TSB only talkes about MY06-07 I called several dealerships and asked for fuel filter PN's for older than 06 trucks, all come up with 68001914AA, the new 7 micron absolute filter. So the searching began...



The fleetguard FS18000E is absolute at 7 microns (96% efficient at 5 microns)but the gasket isnt ULSD compatible, so use FS19856 (same filter different gasket)...this is the OEM filter. Has a 14 gr dirt holding capacity


Baldwin PF7977 is nominal at 1-2 microns and absolute at 5 microns, has a 24gr dirt holding capacity.

Donaldson lists P550785 is absolute at 10 microns.

The WIX 33585XE is nominal at 7 microns. 33585 is nominal at 10 microns.

I am sure there are other filters being used but those are the big ones I know of.


Absolute is 98.7% efficiency and nominal is 50% efficiency.

I have also read, but not verified, that Bosch specs a 5 micron filter for the CP3, and that GM uses a 2 micron filter.


I currently have a Donaldson 10 micron in my truck but have baldwins on order.


I called and talked with Donaldson and they had no clue that the specs had changed, and since the sell the Fleetguard filter with there name on it I would expect to see them carry the newer filter soon. The same is with Amsoil, they had no clue about the change, and were actually specking WIX filters, which appear to be the worst of the bunch... that should be changing.
Old 01-28-2008 | 12:01 PM
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That is a good idea!
It's a great idea!!! I have a "Perma-Cool" filter/water separator as a pre-filter before my Walbro pump, I'd sure like to get rid of this hard to get, non lasting, pricey piece of junk with something not too tall that flowed about 90 gph...any suggestions?
Old 01-28-2008 | 12:23 PM
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ah64id,

Great Post and thanks for all of the time it took to gather this info for us.
Old 01-28-2008 | 01:17 PM
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ah64id,

Great Post and thanks for all of the time it took to gather this info for us.
No problem....
Old 01-28-2008 | 03:49 PM
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have also read, but not verified, that Bosch specs a 5 micron filter for the CP3, and that GM uses a 2 micron filter.



Bosch's spec is 2 micron.

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Old 01-28-2008 | 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Hvytrkmech
Bosch's spec is 2 micron.

Tim
Nominal or absolute?

Either way, how does Dodge get away with putting a fuel filter in that doesnt meet component requirements?


The WIX for dodge is nominal at 7, the WIX for GM is nominal at 4...

The Baldwin GM filter is nominal at 2, and they dont have the absolute rating for it.
Old 01-28-2008 | 05:44 PM
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Years ago I read a white paper that Bosch recommmends minimum 5 micron absolute. May have been on this site or the TDR.

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